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Corona Virus - We are all going to get it.

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Created by Crusoe 2 months ago, 12 Mar 2020
Buster fin
WA, 2130 posts
31 Mar 2020 2:16PM
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I imagine lots of millenials are like, "It's cool if the folks and grandfolk all drop off. Instant riches for us!"

It's a shame most of them can't wipe their own arses yet.

Harrow
NSW, 3384 posts
31 Mar 2020 10:36PM
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^^^ Nah, we'll just get degenerative diseases that cost a fortune to manage and will whittle away their inheritance.

Pugwash
WA, 7142 posts
1 Apr 2020 7:02AM
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Have not seen a single news story today revealing that CV19 was the biggest April Fools prank ever.

Wish it was...

JulianRoss
WA, 473 posts
1 Apr 2020 7:21AM
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Pugwash said..
Have not seen a single news story today revealing that CV19 was the biggest April Fools prank ever.

Wish it was...


Nice avatar Mr Wash...

lotofwind
NSW, 5683 posts
2 Apr 2020 9:09AM
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Bed time story by Samuel Jackson


GWatto
192 posts
2 Apr 2020 8:12AM
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Backpackers.......
Why can't we round em up & drop off onto one of those ships off Sydney!
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Glitch
QLD, 290 posts
2 Apr 2020 8:11PM
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This is an interesting watch. Anyone know Chinese and can check the links to see if this could be viable.

gavnwend
NSW, 1072 posts
2 Apr 2020 9:34PM
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GWatto said..
Backpackers.......
Why can't we round em up & drop off onto one of those ships off Sydney!
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If only Ivan was alive!

Marvin
WA, 663 posts
2 Apr 2020 10:29PM
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Glitch said..
This is an interesting watch. Anyone know Chinese and can check the links to see if this could be viable.



Looks legit - until the devilish Dracula image of Xi at the end, which sorta cruels the whole calm and objective tone prior to that point.

timmybuddhadude
WA, 542 posts
2 Apr 2020 11:11PM
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Harrow
NSW, 3384 posts
3 Apr 2020 11:02AM
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This is simple, makes sense. Most common spread is people talking, and small droplets hit others in face. Wear a basic mask, problem solved. Doesn't need to be a P2, anything will do as you just need to stop droplets spraying around as you breath and talk. Sure, you only need it if you are infected. Do you know if you are? No, none of us do. Wear a mask.

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-scientists-plea-for-australians-to-wear-masks/news-story/1cc3827c0958ac57eb652e7a35c1a158

I bet it becomes policy when they see the spread isn't stopping. It's not selfish, it's caring for others. Make something from a simple piece of cloth and elastic, it will do the job.

You wouldn't drive around for a year without wearing a seatbelt, yet that is less risk than you face if you catch Corona. I'm seeing a few people wearing plastic shields over their face now, which you need to cover your eyes. You just don't know when the person at the cash register, or someone you pass in the aisle is going to suddenly cough a little or just spray a bit while they are talking, and when they do, it's too late, you can't do anything about it.

cammd
QLD, 2735 posts
3 Apr 2020 12:18PM
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Harrow said..
This is simple, makes sense. Most common spread is people talking, and small droplets hit others in face. Wear a basic mask, problem solved. Doesn't need to be a P2, anything will do as you just need to stop droplets spraying around as you breath and talk. Sure, you only need it if you are infected. Do you know if you are? No, none of us do. Wear a mask.

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-scientists-plea-for-australians-to-wear-masks/news-story/1cc3827c0958ac57eb652e7a35c1a158

I bet it becomes policy when they see the spread isn't stopping. It's not selfish, it's caring for others. Make something from a simple piece of cloth and elastic, it will do the job.

You wouldn't drive around for a year without wearing a seatbelt, yet that is less risk than you face if you catch Corona. I'm seeing a few people wearing plastic shields over their face now, which you need to cover your eyes. You just don't know when the person at the cash register, or someone you pass in the aisle is going to suddenly cough a little or just spray a bit while they are talking, and when they do, it's too late, you can't do anything about it.



I am not sure you giving medical advice on a public forum that is in contradiction to government guidelines is a responsible thing to do. My understanding is making you own mask is not recommended

Harrow
NSW, 3384 posts
3 Apr 2020 2:02PM
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I am not sure you giving medical advice on a public forum that is in contradiction to government guidelines is a responsible thing to do. My understanding is making you own mask is not recommended

This isn't suggesting a homemade mask or barrier will stop you breathing in the virus, no argument there. But I'm not sure how anyone can say that anything that stops you spraying droplets into the air isn't a good thing. I'm not prescribing medication, this is just simple common sense to keep each other safe. We all need to go and buy food, and even if you walk down an empty aisle, anyone that coughed in that aisle in the last 10 minutes has left fine droplets floating in the air. I can wash hands, not touch my face, but I can't stop invisible droplets touching my eyes as I walk through the supermarket.

Like a lot of the views expressed on this forum that preceded the government decisions, I expect the government advice will follow soon enough.

GPA
WA, 2418 posts
3 Apr 2020 11:02AM
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cammd said..

Harrow said..
This is simple, makes sense. Most common spread is people talking, and small droplets hit others in face. Wear a basic mask, problem solved. Doesn't need to be a P2, anything will do as you just need to stop droplets spraying around as you breath and talk. Sure, you only need it if you are infected. Do you know if you are? No, none of us do. Wear a mask.

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-scientists-plea-for-australians-to-wear-masks/news-story/1cc3827c0958ac57eb652e7a35c1a158




I am not sure you giving medical advice on a public forum that is in contradiction to government guidelines is a responsible thing to do. My understanding is making you own mask is not recommended


FYI - my wife is a nurse and she has asked my Mother to make her a washable fabric face mask as they just cannot get enough of them. I would suggest that something is better than nothing - particularly when in close contact with unwell people (CV19 or not).

KiteWindnSurf
WA, 25 posts
3 Apr 2020 11:11AM
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Harrow said..

cammd said..
I am not sure you giving medical advice on a public forum that is in contradiction to government guidelines is a responsible thing to do. My understanding is making you own mask is not recommended


This isn't suggesting a homemade mask or barrier will stop you breathing in the virus. But I'm not sure how anyone can say that anything that stops you spraying droplets into the air isn't a good thing. I'm not prescribing medication, this is just simple common sense. Like a lot of the views expressed on this forum that preceded the government decisions, I expect the government advice will follow.


False sense of security.

Harrow
NSW, 3384 posts
3 Apr 2020 2:19PM
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KiteWindnSurf said..
False sense of security.

You don't think it would reduce the chance of someone coughing nearby from spraying droplets onto me? The universal medical advice is that it does. All those dentists, doctors, nurses that wear masks every day, all doing so for no reason?

I really don't care about sense of security, I'm too pragmatic, especially when it comes to life and death. If something simple can be done that has a significant impact at very little cost, you should do it.

Pacey
WA, 199 posts
3 Apr 2020 11:25AM
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cammd said..

I am not sure you giving medical advice on a public forum that is in contradiction to government guidelines is a responsible thing to do. My understanding is making you own mask is not recommended




I'm not sure that following government recommendations that are in contradiction to the scientific research on the subject is a responsible thing to do.

See this discussion from Nature:www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00974-w

Also see



and the result:

Harrow
NSW, 3384 posts
3 Apr 2020 2:34PM
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Pacey said..
I'm not sure that following government recommendations that are in contradiction to the scientific research on the subject is a responsible thing to do.

See this discussion from Nature:www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00974-w

Also see



and the result:


Yep, brilliant. Why isolate, wash hands incessantly, if you then need to regularly walk into the same supermarket as the rest of the community where the simple act of breathing is filling the store with a virus mist. You might as well shake hands and kiss everyone you pass. We're doing the hard bit to get rid of half the risk, lets now do the really easy thing that gets rid of a huge chunk of the remaining risk. It's an absolute no-brainer.

Think for yourselves people. The government said we didn't need to stop flights, we didn't need to send students home, we could have gatherings up to 500 people, oops I mean 100, oops I mean 10, oops I mean 2. You don't need to wear masks, they don't help. (Well, they don't help this week.)

I saw a friend in the store yesterday, he started to say hello, but he's one of those spittle talkers. I couldn't get away quick enough, but I was also worrying about the people that were about to walk into that section of the store in a couple of minutes. I sure wish he had a mask on.

nicephotog
NSW, 226 posts
3 Apr 2020 2:46PM
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Pacey
WA, 199 posts
3 Apr 2020 3:16PM
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There are promising results in vitro - www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0

but initial clinical trials have been mixed: www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/03/25/chloroquine-use-for-covid-19-shows-no-benefit-in-first-small-but-limited-controlled-trial/#5b70f01f4c86

It may or may not be of benefit, we wont know until larger trials are completed, there are several of these underway now.

japie
NSW, 5882 posts
4 Apr 2020 10:26AM
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Very interesting lecture on the evolution of diseases:

Pacey
WA, 199 posts
4 Apr 2020 2:24PM
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Today the US Centre for Disease Control (CDC) reversed their previous recommendation regarding facemarks for the public. They now recommend that cloth facemarks be worn in situations where it is not possible to maintain adequate distance from others:

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

Harrow
NSW, 3384 posts
4 Apr 2020 6:51PM
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Pacey said..
Today the US Centre for Disease Control (CDC) reversed their previous recommendation regarding facemarks for the public. They now recommend that cloth facemarks be worn in situations where it is not possible to maintain adequate distance from others:

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

But voluntary, so no-one will do it because it doesn't protect them, it protects others.

Put your bets down for when the Australian government does a back-flip on face mask policy. I think it might still be a little while, I'll give it a week, the daily death count is due to rise in line with the infection rate rise we had 12 days ago.

tarquin1
361 posts
4 Apr 2020 4:39PM
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Yes France has now recommended wearing them. There is a shortage so they have said a homemade one is better than nothing. But as you said they are recommended so people wont do it. You do see more people wearing a scarf or something wrapped around their face.
The government has no f'n idea basically!

AquaPlow
QLD, 905 posts
4 Apr 2020 9:53PM
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The title of this thread is true... there is no plan B

Prediction..
In about 8 weeks +/- 2 the government language will change from Pandemic to Endemic.

It will depend on 2 things..
A tipping point with crowd control (other countries will be issuing passes to those who are cured - so give me the virus I want a pass too attitude) but hopefully and more likely the tipping point will be a prophylactic (most probably antibody harvesting from those who self cured - its old tech even crudely used in 1920) for at least front line workers, adequate capacity in the health system (they believe). Hopefully a quick diagnostic testing process unlikely but sub 20 minute turnaround.

At that point the vulnerable will have to really run for cover. The idea will be to build up herd immunity and crank the economy.

Cheers
AP

TonyAbbott
483 posts
5 Apr 2020 5:57AM
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Marvin
WA, 663 posts
5 Apr 2020 7:59AM
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More like right wing despotic totalitarianism. Socialism couldn't organise its way out of a paper bag.

bazz61
QLD, 3186 posts
5 Apr 2020 11:26AM
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AndyShwartz
WA, 75 posts
5 Apr 2020 10:32AM
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Which we will pay for, for the rest of our lives.

Let people default on mortgages, let qantas fall, if you cant afford childcare or private school fees it's your own fault. Let capitalism run its course.

I knew my job was not contributing to society in anyway...being 'stood down' and the consequences of this are my own doing.

I knew I should have learnt a skill which was recession/depression proof.

I will take the Jobkeeper allowance though :) (if we ever actually get it) and hopefully they keep the beaches open.

But yeah, this imaginary safety net has hooks in it.



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