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Is it ever okay for a kiter to tell a surfer to f&$k off in the lineup?

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Created by Hoger 2 months ago, 20 Mar 2020
Hoger
QLD, 41 posts
20 Mar 2020 10:41PM
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Recent experience in light wind, on big kite and floaty board where I'd been out maybe 35-40 minutes only and a grumpy paddle surfer, around noon this was once the wind had picked up, tells me to f@&k off with my stupid kite and essentially leave the lineup.

I appreciate the surfers have right of way and I wasn't "dropping in" on any of their waves but of course tacking out, reading the swell lines, gybing and then coming back at the lineup I could pick off waves as swell and ride them well before they could and again admittedly was riding through the lineup of say eight paddle surfers, once the waves crested and ran down the point.

I've surfed my whole life and kited 7 years strapless in waves both locally and abroad.

I think the guy was just grumpy I was catching waves, boosting a few airs tacking back out and generally having about 30x more fun than he was.

I stopped and jumped off my board near the abuser with the kite just sitting there at the zenith and commenced a discussion with the guy but he couldn't be convinced the waves could be shared. I explained I hadn't been out all morning as the wind had only recently picked up and the set up was such that I couldn't kite the waves anywhere near all the way to the beach because of the wind shadow of the headland and was essentially only able to ride say 1/3 to 1/2 the wave's total length leaving plenty of what I thought was "room for all".

Anyway, as a kiter, do I ever have the right to tell a paddle surfer to simply F-off, the ocean is for all of us???

More to the story if Seabreezers are interested but I thought I'd start the discussion.

AquaPlow
QLD, 904 posts
20 Mar 2020 11:12PM
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Replace F with P and go 4 it..
Tell him to get an inflatable paddle .. Think they call them wind wings.. Or similar
AP

bootsandloops
63 posts
20 Mar 2020 9:58PM
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If you want to get killed, sure.

Plummet
4714 posts
21 Mar 2020 12:53AM
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In this instance, I think you are in the wrong. You should not kite through a line up of surfers. Your are putting them in danger that they didn't sign up for. Imagine if you and your kite went down in the middle of them, lines could be wrapping around them whistle going through the washing machine. Thats very dangerous!

My motto, Never kite so close to prone surfers or swimmers, etc that if the worst happens your kite and lines will wrap around them.
If you can hit into the line up downwind of them and ride some waves that doesn't put them in danger then... fair game. There is one time I don't follow this rule. That is when I am their first, I am not riding the most surfer friendly part of the beach and a surfer willingly paddles into where I am kiting. In that instance, he could have gone to a better spot on the beach but chose to interrupt my fun and to take the risk. I will not move on.

Also, it sounds like the surfers were their first, it was light wind and you came along second when the wind pulled up a bit. In that instance, it's first in first served. Leave the surfers to it. Find a different part of the beach to ride the waves. They will be gone when the wind picks up to good kiting level and you will get all the waves. When its super light let the surfers have their time.

So conclusion. You should have been told to f$%k off.

riddim1
QLD, 125 posts
21 Mar 2020 7:41AM
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I rode a spot a few weekends back where there were about 20 surfers out. Strong cross-off wind and a 4-6ft ground swell.

I agree with Plummets take on things. I guess, this particular day was a positive experience for me regarding surfer/kite surfer interaction.

A handful of Kiter's watched from the beach waiting for the wind to come more cross-shore. A local advised me this was how it was done. As the surfers were exiting the water, we were getting comments from surfers around how good it was and that it's now better for the "wind warriors". Within 15 mins of the wind turning, most all surfers were out of the water, leaving the place for the wind and kite surfers. I think at times patience pays.As a rule, I would never kite through a pack of surfers..... mostly out of respect (being a surfer myself) but secondly, I don't want to draw any unwanted attention.

KPSS Used
NSW, 276 posts
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21 Mar 2020 12:25PM
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Agree with Plummet. So the answer is never because making enemies takes the fun out of it and will always come back to haunt you.

DJMWA
WA, 307 posts
21 Mar 2020 9:31AM
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Plummet said..
In this instance, I think you are in the wrong. You should not kite through a line up of surfers. Your are putting them in danger that they didn't sign up for. Imagine if you and your kite went down in the middle of them, lines could be wrapping around them whistle going through the washing machine. Thats very dangerous!

My motto, Never kite so close to prone surfers or swimmers, etc that if the worst happens your kite and lines will wrap around them.
If you can hit into the line up downwind of them and ride some waves that doesn't put them in danger then... fair game. There is one time I don't follow this rule. That is when I am their first, I am not riding the most surfer friendly part of the beach and a surfer willingly paddles into where I am kiting. In that instance, he could have gone to a better spot on the beach but chose to interrupt my fun and to take the risk. I will not move on.

Also, it sounds like the surfers were their first, it was light wind and you came along second when the wind pulled up a bit. In that instance, it's first in first served. Leave the surfers to it. Find a different part of the beach to ride the waves. They will be gone when the wind picks up to good kiting level and you will get all the waves. When its super light let the surfers have their time.

So conclusion. You should have been told to f$%k off.



100% agree and practice all of this, especially if it's light wind.

RAL INN
VIC, 2834 posts
21 Mar 2020 3:33PM
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Yes to Plummet
let them have their spot. Kiters have way more choices.

simon78
65 posts
21 Mar 2020 4:23PM
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It is never ok to abuse a surfers if your kiting.

it is also never ok to abuse swimmers when kiting.

It is never a good idea to sine a kite more than 3 times with any person within 30m downwind.

it is always a good idea to shout out to kiters if surfing. Eg- point arm and finger 'blue kite **** off 10m' . Not so much for my safety but that of other surfers around me- not everybody understands how kites work and the dangers.

bjw
NSW, 3181 posts
21 Mar 2020 7:49PM
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So it's OK to encourage surfer kiter rage?
Yeh nah.

RbGar
69 posts
21 Mar 2020 8:46PM
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Lifelong 45+ year surfer, but when it blows we goes. If you can make it happen with a kite then let it rip, all surfers with half a brain knows it's over, time to get outa the way.

GMK-KiteSurf
NSW, 120 posts
22 Mar 2020 1:36PM
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Mate I'm a Surfer too, of many years. It's like Life, there are Wankers whatever Sport you do. Unfortunately Surfing seems to bring out Crappy attitudes in alot people.

I've been told to F-off when I was Surfing by Aholes. I just give them back the Crap they give out.

So Yeah, I'd tell them or him to F-off. It's all Good. You have just as much right to be in the water as anyone.

Nobody owns the rights to waves. We share them.????

Bowerboy
NSW, 98 posts
23 Mar 2020 8:50AM
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If it's any consolation surfers all hate each other as well.

eppo
WA, 7525 posts
25 Mar 2020 2:11PM
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Also consider there are far more surfers than kiters and a lot of those kiters and now middle aged and above. So the chance of one of them being in an influential position on the council or actively lobbying council etc is much higher. Spots can easily be taken away from us if they wish it to be so.

GMK-KiteSurf
NSW, 120 posts
25 Mar 2020 6:04PM
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If you Worry too much about what could happen, you'll end up Never doing anything.

Lifes for Living and Enjoying yourself, Not Worrying about what some Wanker thinks, says and does. You have just as much rights as everybody else.

WoW, Deep.??

exone
7 posts
25 Mar 2020 4:31PM
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Deep? Afraid not. Shallow , Selfish and plain Stupid ? Yep

iandvnt
QLD, 569 posts
28 Mar 2020 8:16PM
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No opinion on this cos wasnt there but most surfers would be cool if you made sure you made it clear that sharing was going on. Some big top turns always help.

Waveswindy
NSW, 106 posts
31 Mar 2020 10:07PM
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Stay well clear of surfers .. especially at popular beaches. They were there first. Also swimmers.

I get really angry when kiters go in between surfers. Especially Infront of them on a wave or in between (water sprays at them). It's just rude. We all want to ride those waves but find another peak/spot. Quickest way to ban kiting or get knocked out (Lennox head this happened).

My personal rule is ride 30-40m at least from them...kite lines and if it dropped enough to relaunch... And never more than 2-3 surfers. If there are more surfers move along. This is tricky in Sydney though... If they are complete kooks ,can't paddle and it's onshore... Fair game.

KPSS Used
NSW, 276 posts
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1 Apr 2020 9:46AM
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Waveswindy said..
Stay well clear of surfers .. especially at popular beaches. They were there first. Also swimmers.

I get really angry when kiters go in between surfers. Especially Infront of them on a wave or in between (water sprays at them). It's just rude. We all want to ride those waves but find another peak/spot. Quickest way to ban kiting or get knocked out (Lennox head this happened).

My personal rule is ride 30-40m at least from them...kite lines and if it dropped enough to relaunch... And never more than 2-3 surfers. If there are more surfers move along. This is tricky in Sydney though... If they are complete kooks ,can't paddle and it's onshore... Fair game.


What happened and when between kiters and surfers at Lennox?

CJ2478
NSW, 403 posts
2 Apr 2020 9:49AM
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KPSS Used said..

Waveswindy said..
Stay well clear of surfers .. especially at popular beaches. They were there first. Also swimmers.

I get really angry when kiters go in between surfers. Especially Infront of them on a wave or in between (water sprays at them). It's just rude. We all want to ride those waves but find another peak/spot. Quickest way to ban kiting or get knocked out (Lennox head this happened).

My personal rule is ride 30-40m at least from them...kite lines and if it dropped enough to relaunch... And never more than 2-3 surfers. If there are more surfers move along. This is tricky in Sydney though... If they are complete kooks ,can't paddle and it's onshore... Fair game.



What happened and when between kiters and surfers at Lennox?


Back in the day i grew up surfing flat rock which is a classic kite spot, but only enough space for ~5 kiters (who know what they're doing) there were lots of run ins. Its a long time ago now but i do remember an instructor in the area who will remain unnamed getting into a punch up with one of the local 'enforcers'.

At this spot in this time kites were despised by the surf crew because the spot stays pretty good for surfing up over 20 knots and there were LOTS of close calls.

I think the local OG kiters know the right thing to do (because they wear the consequences in the community) but the spot been plagued by blow ins from SYDNEY and SE QLD who are keen to throw their hat in the ring.



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