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Armstrong 1550 with 232 tail

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Created by kobo 3 months ago, 10 Feb 2020
hilly
WA, 5260 posts
12 Mar 2020 10:06PM
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Filow said..
Curious to see the UNY TAIL compared to the HS tail and the modified one. Hilly would you have this ?


Biggest difference is thickness. That makes the uni tail slow. 0.6mm washer worked. planning to use the +1 with 1200 1550 and 2400 most of the time.

hanza1111
71 posts
15 Mar 2020 9:05AM
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Interesting reading here!

Has anyone got a comparison: axis HA1000 (or 900) to the Armstrong 1550?

I'll mostly be winging, and sup foil sometimes, and currently on axis 920, 720.

People been recommending Armstrong, but haven't had the chance to try high aspect axis wings yet, so thanks for any comparisons. Cheers!

hilly
WA, 5260 posts
15 Mar 2020 10:05AM
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hanza1111 said..
Interesting reading here!

Has anyone got a comparison: axis HA1000 (or 900) to the Armstrong 1550?

I'll mostly be winging, and sup foil sometimes, and currently on axis 920, 720.

People been recommending Armstrong, but haven't had the chance to try high aspect axis wings yet, so thanks for any comparisons. Cheers!



foilsurfing.net/hydros-armstrong-axis-comparison/

toppleover
QLD, 1661 posts
15 Mar 2020 1:24PM
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hilly said..

hanza1111 said..
Interesting reading here!

Has anyone got a comparison: axis HA1000 (or 900) to the Armstrong 1550?

I'll mostly be winging, and sup foil sometimes, and currently on axis 920, 720.

People been recommending Armstrong, but haven't had the chance to try high aspect axis wings yet, so thanks for any comparisons. Cheers!




foilsurfing.net/hydros-armstrong-axis-comparison/


I had a 900 & now have the 1550 & think Steve summed it up pretty good, if you have any other questions hit me up.

MidAtlanticFoil
66 posts
8 Apr 2020 2:11AM
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Here's a tip if your wing/fuselage/mast connections are too tight on your Armstrong rig. I ordered an 85 cm mast for winging and my fuselage wouldn't slide in far enough to even see the screw holes. I luckily had a flat metal file that fit perfectly into the mast connection. First I used a paint marker to scribble all over the fuselage connection and then shoved it in a few times to see where it was scuffed/rubbing more. A few minutes with the file working on the tight spots and I was in business.

I was freaked out for a second that I would need to send it back for a replacement. Also, if you are going to hammer your fuse free of a tight mast connection, make sure you insert some screws, as my titanium core started to slide out on me. Few taps the other direction and it was golden.

kobo
NSW, 215 posts
8 Apr 2020 7:11AM
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Interesting , I have only one mast so I don't take it out often , only for travel but that's good to know.My wings are a very snug fit on the tapered fuse and if I don't have something to tap them off I find twisting the wing on the fuse and pulling at the same time does the trick. I've gotten used to the 232 tail nowadays and I wouldn't go back for proning , Pumps fantastic and super loose . I'm on the 60 fuse and can't imagine needing the 50 or the tail chopped to 212, I'm wondering if weight plays a role here, I'm 84kg and I remember hilly saying at 105 he didn't like the smaller tail so much.Seems at your weight the short fuse and tail work great.Maybe I'm just a kook and can't handle it too much performance

MidAtlanticFoil
66 posts
8 Apr 2020 10:45PM
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I spent months on the 70 fuse, then the 60, and now use the 50 mainly if the waves aren't chest high or bigger. I haven't used it with the 1050 yet. I chopped my 232 tail and then ordered a replacement 232 so I could have it in the quiver and have been using the standard 232 mostly. So fun to try and formulate the best setup for the given conditions, ie winging/surfing/suping, wave size etc. So many variables and combinations to consider. I have noticed that the 50 fuselage seems to reduce exit glide when pulling tighter gybes when winging.

I agree that weight makes a big difference for fuse length and tail size 'feel'. I bet stance width also has an effect.

kobo
NSW, 215 posts
9 Apr 2020 6:43AM
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MidAtlanticFoil said..
I spent months on the 70 fuse, then the 60, and now use the 50 mainly if the waves aren't chest high or bigger. I haven't used it with the 1050 yet. I chopped my 232 tail and then ordered a replacement 232 so I could have it in the quiver and have been using the standard 232 mostly. So fun to try and formulate the best setup for the given conditions, ie winging/surfing/suping, wave size etc. So many variables and combinations to consider. I have noticed that the 50 fuselage seems to reduce exit glide when pulling tighter gybes when winging.

I agree that weight makes a big difference for fuse length and tail size 'feel'. I bet stance width also has an effect.


Skyrama said he's gone back to the 60 fuse because he wants more Gs in the turns again ,which is exactly what your losing with the 50 fuse. He recons a 55 would be perfect for him......it never ends

toppleover
QLD, 1661 posts
9 Apr 2020 7:09AM
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MidAtlanticFoil said..
I spent months on the 70 fuse, then the 60, and now use the 50 mainly if the waves aren't chest high or bigger. I haven't used it with the 1050 yet. I chopped my 232 tail and then ordered a replacement 232 so I could have it in the quiver and have been using the standard 232 mostly. So fun to try and formulate the best setup for the given conditions, ie winging/surfing/suping, wave size etc. So many variables and combinations to consider. I have noticed that the 50 fuselage seems to reduce exit glide when pulling tighter gybes when winging.

I agree that weight makes a big difference for fuse length and tail size 'feel'. I bet stance width also has an effect.




Skyrama said he's gone back to the 60 fuse because he wants more Gs in the turns again ,which is exactly what your losing with the 50 fuse. He recons a 55 would be perfect for him......it never ends



Yes, I heard the same - almost ordered the 50 but changed to 60 last minute. Glad I did because I think the 60 with 212 stab is about as loose as I'm gonna need for a while.

kobo
NSW, 215 posts
9 Apr 2020 7:39AM
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toppleover said..

kobo said..



MidAtlanticFoil said..
I spent months on the 70 fuse, then the 60, and now use the 50 mainly if the waves aren't chest high or bigger. I haven't used it with the 1050 yet. I chopped my 232 tail and then ordered a replacement 232 so I could have it in the quiver and have been using the standard 232 mostly. So fun to try and formulate the best setup for the given conditions, ie winging/surfing/suping, wave size etc. So many variables and combinations to consider. I have noticed that the 50 fuselage seems to reduce exit glide when pulling tighter gybes when winging.

I agree that weight makes a big difference for fuse length and tail size 'feel'. I bet stance width also has an effect.





Skyrama said he's gone back to the 60 fuse because he wants more Gs in the turns again ,which is exactly what your losing with the 50 fuse. He recons a 55 would be perfect for him......it never ends




Yes, I heard the same - almost ordered the 50 but changed to 60 last minute. Glad I did because I think the 60 with 212 stab is about as loose as I'm gonna need for a while.


Yep I'm on the 60 with 232 tail and it's all I need

Cygnify
QLD, 79 posts
24 Apr 2020 8:58AM
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Just checking in as some of you guys have being using the 50cm fuselage for a big longer now and have more feedback, is it worth getting?
I ride the 1200/1550 combo with 232 tail +1 exclusively and 60cm fuselage currently.

willow75
22 posts
24 Apr 2020 7:23AM
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I have played with all the fuse's as well, for winging with the 1200 & 1550hs wing - with 85cm & 100cm mast. I went to the 50 fuse on the 100 mast as I wanted more looseness - Which it did achieve.

But - It was reduced my upwind pointing a lot. It did make the set up really loose and fun - But not enough upwind performance for me... I will go back to the 60, but with the +1 on the tail, and even try the +2 (add a washer).

If I didn't need to go upwind, I would probably stick with the 50 fuse though as its great fun!!

kobo
NSW, 215 posts
24 Apr 2020 12:05PM
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You lose a bit of the acceleration in the turns with the 50 fuse , lighter riders 60-70 kg find it good but the heavier you are the 60 works better

Cygnify
QLD, 79 posts
24 Apr 2020 12:41PM
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Yea I'm 72kg so just above. Only prone foiling these days as well.

Might be worth getting one at some stage then.

toppleover
QLD, 1661 posts
24 Apr 2020 1:00PM
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If your looking for more performance, I'd chop your stab before buying a shorter fuse - much cheaper option & makes a big difference imo.

kobo
NSW, 215 posts
24 Apr 2020 6:03PM
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willow75 said..
I have played with all the fuse's as well, for winging with the 1200 & 1550hs wing - with 85cm & 100cm mast. I went to the 50 fuse on the 100 mast as I wanted more looseness - Which it did achieve.

But - It was reduced my upwind pointing a lot. It did make the set up really loose and fun - But not enough upwind performance for me... I will go back to the 60, but with the +1 on the tail, and even try the +2 (add a washer).

If I didn't need to go upwind, I would probably stick with the 50 fuse though as its great fun!!


Hey Willow,
Which mast do you prefer for winging the 85 or 100?

Camarillo
264 posts
5 May 2020 3:16PM
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kobo said..

willow75 said..
I have played with all the fuse's as well, for winging with the 1200 & 1550hs wing - with 85cm & 100cm mast. I went to the 50 fuse on the 100 mast as I wanted more looseness - Which it did achieve.

But - It was reduced my upwind pointing a lot. It did make the set up really loose and fun - But not enough upwind performance for me... I will go back to the 60, but with the +1 on the tail, and even try the +2 (add a washer).

If I didn't need to go upwind, I would probably stick with the 50 fuse though as its great fun!!



Hey Willow,
Which mast do you prefer for winging the 85 or 100?


I suppose the 72 cm is too short for winging except in really flat water? The 72 mast is a must have for sup foiling and getting a second mast is expensive....

MidAtlanticFoil
66 posts
5 May 2020 7:04PM
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Camarillo said..

kobo said..


willow75 said..
I have played with all the fuse's as well, for winging with the 1200 & 1550hs wing - with 85cm & 100cm mast. I went to the 50 fuse on the 100 mast as I wanted more looseness - Which it did achieve.

But - It was reduced my upwind pointing a lot. It did make the set up really loose and fun - But not enough upwind performance for me... I will go back to the 60, but with the +1 on the tail, and even try the +2 (add a washer).

If I didn't need to go upwind, I would probably stick with the 50 fuse though as its great fun!!




Hey Willow,
Which mast do you prefer for winging the 85 or 100?



I suppose the 72 cm is too short for winging except in really flat water? The 72 mast is a must have for sup foiling and getting a second mast is expensive....


I wouldn't say the 72 is too short for choppy water. I learned on that mast before getting the 85. The main difference for me is less time in the water now. I would usually breach on gybes where I would turn on a swell and get a bit overpowered and loose a bit of balance so I couldn't correct flight level quick enough. There was no issue for me riding straight across wind for example, even with 2 foot river wind chop.
the 85 mast gives that extra bit of room for error so I can now go out and basically not breach for an entire session. The cost is insane though. They second reason I got the 85 mast was the ability to have two complete Armstrong setups so I can share with my friends.

hilly
WA, 5260 posts
5 May 2020 9:03PM
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Camarillo said..

kobo said..


willow75 said..
I have played with all the fuse's as well, for winging with the 1200 & 1550hs wing - with 85cm & 100cm mast. I went to the 50 fuse on the 100 mast as I wanted more looseness - Which it did achieve.

But - It was reduced my upwind pointing a lot. It did make the set up really loose and fun - But not enough upwind performance for me... I will go back to the 60, but with the +1 on the tail, and even try the +2 (add a washer).

If I didn't need to go upwind, I would probably stick with the 50 fuse though as its great fun!!




Hey Willow,
Which mast do you prefer for winging the 85 or 100?



I suppose the 72 cm is too short for winging except in really flat water? The 72 mast is a must have for sup foiling and getting a second mast is expensive....


Winged pretty solid Bombie waves on a 72 the other day. It is doable but an 85 would be better. If you have the cash get one. I don't because heaps of places I sup foil and wing have shallow reef. 72 is way better then.

willow75
22 posts
6 May 2020 5:22AM
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I have mostly gone back to the 85cm mast for everyday use, I had the 72.5 before and found I breached too much especially in waves..

The 100 mast was fun, as so much height, but I couldn't throw it around as much - maybe for a bigger rider you could get away with it? I'm only 60kg so the mast kinda controlled me rather than the other way around! For rough water/big waves I reckon it was good, and definitely for any towing into big waves. But for everyday winging and as an all around the 85 seems a good balance.

Filow
154 posts
6 May 2020 8:15PM
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Anyone rode the 1550 and the Go Foil GL ? curious to know if the GL are really better for speed

willow75
22 posts
7 May 2020 5:48AM
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I have used both - You can only compare the wings that have similar area - ie GL180 is around 1160cm2 I think? So its closest to the Armstrong 1200? Very different concepts - GL more locked in straight line, but hard to turn and flow.

Found this link : www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Foiling/Armstrong-1550HA-GOFOIL-GL-comparison?page=1

JOSHSB
8 posts
15 May 2020 9:03PM
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Good read fellas, alot of great info here.
Had my first session on the 1550- 60 fuse- 232 tail and 0? shim for prone.
I found today after take off and when getting to higher speeds the wing wanted to dive down a bit. Side note- I had the foil all the way forward in the box and it happen to me again when kite foiling it in the afternoon.
My other brand foils needed more and more front foot pressure after speed increases.
Has anyone else experienced this on the 1550 or do I just need to get behind the mast more with my back foot???
Cheers

hilly
WA, 5260 posts
15 May 2020 10:12PM
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JOSHSB said.I just need to get behind the mast more with my back foot???
Cheers


Yes

toppleover
QLD, 1661 posts
16 May 2020 6:39PM
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JOSHSB said..
Good read fellas, alot of great info here.
Had my first session on the 1550- 60 fuse- 232 tail and 0? shim for prone.
I found today after take off and when getting to higher speeds the wing wanted to dive down a bit. Side note- I had the foil all the way forward in the box and it happen to me again when kite foiling it in the afternoon.
My other brand foils needed more and more front foot pressure after speed increases.
Has anyone else experienced this on the 1550 or do I just need to get behind the mast more with my back foot???
Cheers


I find the 1550 feels a bit like riding a normal surfboard - more back footed than most foils I have tried.

& I like it

kobo
NSW, 215 posts
16 May 2020 7:11PM
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toppleover said..

JOSHSB said..
Good read fellas, alot of great info here.
Had my first session on the 1550- 60 fuse- 232 tail and 0? shim for prone.
I found today after take off and when getting to higher speeds the wing wanted to dive down a bit. Side note- I had the foil all the way forward in the box and it happen to me again when kite foiling it in the afternoon.
My other brand foils needed more and more front foot pressure after speed increases.
Has anyone else experienced this on the 1550 or do I just need to get behind the mast more with my back foot???
Cheers



I find the 1550 feels a bit like riding a normal surfboard - more back footed than most foils I have tried.

& I like it


Ditto, love the balanced feel of the Armstrong, proned today on some solid 6' swells using the 1200,232,+1 shim and it was fantastic, super fast big walls and with the 1200 setup it was a joy to foil , nice balanced ride in some bigger swells.
Even managed to pump well on the 1200 which surprised me, I think the extra speed on exit really helped there.

toppleover
QLD, 1661 posts
16 May 2020 7:38PM
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After whatching Sky's latest clip, think I'll have to get myself a 1050 to go with my 1550.

kobo
NSW, 215 posts
16 May 2020 8:46PM
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Yeh I got the 1200 but maybe the 1050 would have been the go, mind you I don't feel like I need anymore performance at this point, I use the 1550 90% of the time and the 1200 when it's gets bigger.Listning to Tom Carroll on foiling podcast ,he started on gofoil then went to signature and one other type and now is frothing on Armstrong recons it improved his riding heaps,which is what I found as well.

JOSHSB
8 posts
17 May 2020 8:03AM
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Toppleover yeah i feel what you mean.
I turned my 2 front bolts around in the mast plate and gained a extra 1.5-2cm forward in the box and that made it feel so much more balance between feet.
I'm 65kg and I'm surprised at how far forward in the box I'm riding the 1550. The middle of my back foot is sitting straight over the trailing edge of the mast.

emmafoils
147 posts
17 May 2020 4:48PM
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I am seeing some rumors of a high aspect Armstrong wing (between 1600 and 2400). Any info?



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