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Armstrong 2400 for Winging?

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Created by Rastaman3030 5 months ago, 31 Mar 2020
MidAtlanticFoil
106 posts
29 Apr 2020 8:21PM
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Yeah unless you are a featherweight or live somewhere with consistent 16knt+ wind, the 2400 should be in your quiver. You could always first try the 4m and 1550 with a -2ttf and see how it works for your lighter conditions.
On the flip side, a 5 or 6M is what you would want for 10-12 Knt conditions, and depending on your skill/weight, you may be able to get going on the 1550 with your 6'2" board (higher planning speed), especially if flat conditions. The 4m and 2400 probably still won't get you up in those conditions.
I have a 3.5 and 5m and it covers me pretty well at 65kgs. Wouldn't mind have changed to a 2.8, 4.2, 6m quiver tho!

emmafoils
191 posts
29 Apr 2020 10:29PM
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I am beginning to foil up consistently with my 2400. It doesn't take much and comes up very gently and smoothly. I will be keeping it for small wave days.

MidAtlanticFoil
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30 Apr 2020 1:11AM
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emmafoils said..
I am beginning to foil up consistently with my 2400. It doesn't take much and comes up very gently and smoothly. I will be keeping it for small wave days.


'Gentle' is a good way to describe the 2400. So user friendly.

lloydmann
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14 Sep 2020 8:58AM
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Can someone post some measurements of the 2400 v2
I have a Stinger Manra Foil and would like to compare the front wing spec
My front foil wing specs are
87 cm wide
20 cm front to back
35 mm thick at the thickest point which is centered front to back
When sitting level on a table the front of the wing has a 20mm rise from the table to the underside of the foil, 35mm from the table to the bottom of the trailing edge
The trailing edge is almost straight with only 10 mm curve closer to the ends
From your pictures it looks like the 2400 v2 has way more verticle curve and the trailing edge has a huge curve

Camarillo
285 posts
Tuesday , 15 Sep 2020 12:18PM
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I read on the zone that some people think the longer masts (85cm) are not stiff enough for the 2400..

lloydmann
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Tuesday , 15 Sep 2020 1:13PM
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Thanks for the link hilly
Some good info in there
Funny how some brands are geared towards high aspect and others are not
I would still be interested in seeing more design measurements on the 2400 v2 and the 1600 if anyone has time to post

lloydmann
3 posts
Wednesday , 16 Sep 2020 11:29AM
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Armstrong has switched to a tapered mast, larger and more ridged at the board, smaller and more flexible at the foil
Armie explained this in an interview saying the mast is like a fin, the smaller it is the tighter you can turn, also the flex is good as you can load the foil up with energy before the turn and then release it during the turn

hilly
WA, 5579 posts
Wednesday , 16 Sep 2020 6:47PM
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lloydmann said..
Armstrong has switched to a tapered mast, larger and more ridged at the board, smaller and more flexible at the foil
Armie explained this in an interview saying the mast is like a fin, the smaller it is the tighter you can turn, also the flex is good as you can load the foil up with energy before the turn and then release it during the turn


Agree with this for surfing love the flex in the mast. Can feel disconcerting with the 2400 when stationary, as it can wobble, but you do not notice when up and riding. Some people have a thing about stiff masts. They feel dead to me, no twang out of the turns.

Foilnut
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Friday , 17 Sep 2020 11:18PM
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Anyone have both the 2400 and HS1850? Interested in comparison. I have HS1850/1550. The 1850 is great for lighter winds and up to 20 knots. However when in the 10-11 knot range there are wingers getting up on the GoFoil M200 and I am not up on the HS1850.

hilly
WA, 5579 posts
Friday , 17 Sep 2020 11:29PM
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Anyone have both the 2400 and HS1850? Interested in comparison. I have HS1850/1550. The 1850 is great for lighter winds and up to 20 knots. However when in the 10-11 knot range there are wingers getting up on the GoFoil M200 and I am not up on the HS1850.


The 2400 has a slightly better bottom end but not by much. Technique will help you get up earlier. 105kg using a 6m smik I get up as early as most using the 1850. I find it pumps better through the lulls than the 2400 did.

Foilnut
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Friday , 18 Sep 2020 12:38AM
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hilly said..

Foilnut said..
Anyone have both the 2400 and HS1850? Interested in comparison. I have HS1850/1550. The 1850 is great for lighter winds and up to 20 knots. However when in the 10-11 knot range there are wingers getting up on the GoFoil M200 and I am not up on the HS1850.



The 2400 has a slightly better bottom end but not by much. Technique will help you get up earlier. 105kg using a 6m smik I get up as early as most using the 1850. I find it pumps better through the lulls than the 2400 did.


Hilly - thanks. I will save my pennies for when the HS1250 comes out.

DB2
41 posts
Friday , 18 Sep 2020 4:13PM
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Hi Foilnut!

I just had a short session with my HS1850, so not much experience. At the moment my big board is the limiting factor as pumping the 6'11" on to the foil is not that easy. For our gusty flatware3 spot I am not that happy with the 2400, because if you are getting powered up, it's like a handbrake and my arms start to burn, as I can't release enough power from the wing and the foil has more drag. For me going a sqm bigger in wing-size and smaller in foil-size is the key. But then it's maybe just me. I would really like to see a high-aspect wing from Armstrong with around 2000sqcm for flat-water winging.

DWF
242 posts
Friday , 18 Sep 2020 7:30PM
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Foilnut said..
Anyone have both the 2400 and HS1850? Interested in comparison. I have HS1850/1550. The 1850 is great for lighter winds and up to 20 knots. However when in the 10-11 knot range there are wingers getting up on the GoFoil M200 and I am not up on the HS1850.


You running the HS1850 with the 300 tail? It works better in lighter wind for me. I use the +1 shim. I don't even bother with the 232 tail.

tomooh
207 posts
Saturday , 19 Sep 2020 3:58AM
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I bought the 1550 with the 232 tail but have recently gone back to the 300 tail and like it more because I crash less. Sup Surfing not winging.

Foilnut
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Saturday , 19 Sep 2020 9:19AM
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DWF said..


Foilnut said..
Anyone have both the 2400 and HS1850? Interested in comparison. I have HS1850/1550. The 1850 is great for lighter winds and up to 20 knots. However when in the 10-11 knot range there are wingers getting up on the GoFoil M200 and I am not up on the HS1850.




You running the HS1850 with the 300 tail? It works better in lighter wind for me. I use the +1 shim. I don't even bother with the 232 tail.



I run the 232 with both 1850 and 1550 and zero shim. So DWF with 1850 and 300 +1 shim is this easier to getup in light winds? Worth buying the 300/Uni Tail Wing?

kobo
NSW, 366 posts
Saturday , 19 Sep 2020 12:29PM
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Foilnut said..

DWF said..



Foilnut said..
Anyone have both the 2400 and HS1850? Interested in comparison. I have HS1850/1550. The 1850 is great for lighter winds and up to 20 knots. However when in the 10-11 knot range there are wingers getting up on the GoFoil M200 and I am not up on the HS1850.





You running the HS1850 with the 300 tail? It works better in lighter wind for me. I use the +1 shim. I don't even bother with the 232 tail.




I run the 232 with both 1850 and 1550 and zero shim. So DWF with 1850 and 300 +1 shim is this easier to getup in light winds? Worth buying the 300/Uni Tail Wing?


Yep gives you more early lift 'and also makes things more stable, Ive been using the 300 tail a bit to give me a more balanced ride with the SUP winging both 1550&1850

DWF
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Saturday , 19 Sep 2020 7:57PM
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I run the 232 with both 1850 and 1550 and zero shim. So DWF with 1850 and 300 +1 shim is this easier to getup in light winds? Worth buying the 300/Uni Tail Wing?



Primary reason for running the 300 tail is it just feels right. More stable. More relaxing to ride. Better balanced between my feet. The 232 just feels wrong for winging.

What Matt learned kiting the 232 and 300 tail in this video, is exactly what I feel, winging ALL the HS sizes.

The local shop owner thinks a chopped 300 tail with +1 shim pumps better than the 232.

hilly
WA, 5579 posts
Sunday , 20 Sep 2020 2:11AM
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Really like the 232 for wingding it is better in every way. Way faster than the 300. About 10 Armstrong riders here all think the same. When I first tried it I did not like it as I was so used to the 300.

kobo
NSW, 366 posts
Sunday , 20 Sep 2020 6:39AM
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hilly said..
Really like the 232 for wingding it is better in every way. Way faster than the 300. About 10 Armstrong riders here all think the same. When I first tried it I did not like it as I was so used to the 300.


Interesting, I've been prone surfing mostly and I loved changing from the 300 to 232-212 it's a significant performance increase as hilly points out, but then I started the wing ding journey with the 1550 & 1850 and though I'm a pretty competent prone and kite foiler so no need to use the 300 on the wing ding, but after a few sessions with the 232 ,I decided to change back to the 300 and it made everything easier and more balanced. I'm probs 10 sessions Wing ding atm and the 300 tail is staying on for now, cause it gets up early ,helps with transitions and feels balanced.
No doubt I'll end up on the 232 like hilly and his mates, but it requires more experience and attention to ride, but that's the great thing about Armstrong gear, it's so versitile.

Foilnut
37 posts
Sunday , 20 Sep 2020 8:33AM
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Ok, thanks for the input. Looks like a good fit for lighter winds. Went out this morning and picked it up so now just need some wind.







hilly
WA, 5579 posts
Sunday , 20 Sep 2020 6:08PM
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Armstrong will be bringing new tails out soon. Liking the look of Sky Ramas tail here www.instagram.com/p/CFQ0oTJDT72/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

fm1
WA, 53 posts
Sunday , 20 Sep 2020 8:40PM
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hilly said..
Really like the 232 for wingding it is better in every way. Way faster than the 300. About 10 Armstrong riders here all think the same. When I first tried it I did not like it as I was so used to the 300.


+1 for the 232 ...found the 300 too draggy and took instantly to the 232 ...probably just comes down to personal preference rather than hard and fast either way

hilly
WA, 5579 posts
Monday , 21 Sep 2020 8:33AM
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fm1 said...found the 300 too draggy

Likewise because it is so thick.

KB7
NSW, 49 posts
Monday , 21 Sep 2020 1:10PM
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I've been running the 232 with all foils for a while and prefer the speed. However I switched back to the 300 with the 1200 for winging in over 20 knots it just seems much smoother all around a better match.

I'm finding the 1850 and 232 topping out at 30Kph winging which is often not fast enough to keep up with the swell. Even with the plus 1.

Can anyone tell me their top speed of the 1550 ? I'm thinking I need to add this.

hilly
WA, 5579 posts
Monday , 21 Sep 2020 2:58PM
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KB7 said..
I've been running the 232 with all foils for a while and prefer the speed. However I switched back to the 300 with the 1200 for winging in over 20 knots it just seems much smoother all around a better match.

I'm finding the 1850 and 232 topping out at 30Kph winging which is often not fast enough to keep up with the swell. Even with the plus 1.

Can anyone tell me their top speed of the 1550 ? I'm thinking I need to add this.


Cut down the 232 to 212 and go +2 for more speed. But it is a mid aspect foil and large it will never be super fast. I got 34kmh yesterday and easily kept on the reformed swell lines in a bay. Different story chasing down open ocean swell but the 1850 is not the beast for that. 1550 is faster and better on steep open ocean waves. 1200 even better. If you are a light weight the 1250 might be the go when it comes out.

kobo
NSW, 366 posts
Yesterday , 22 Sep 2020 8:22AM
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hilly said..

KB7 said..
I've been running the 232 with all foils for a while and prefer the speed. However I switched back to the 300 with the 1200 for winging in over 20 knots it just seems much smoother all around a better match.

I'm finding the 1850 and 232 topping out at 30Kph winging which is often not fast enough to keep up with the swell. Even with the plus 1.

Can anyone tell me their top speed of the 1550 ? I'm thinking I need to add this.



Cut down the 232 to 212 and go +2 for more speed. But it is a mid aspect foil and large it will never be super fast. I got 34kmh yesterday and easily kept on the reformed swell lines in a bay. Different story chasing down open ocean swell but the 1850 is not the beast for that. 1550 is faster and better on steep open ocean waves. 1200 even better. If you are a light weight the 1250 might be the go when it comes out.


Dropped into some steep wind swells winging on the 1850 yesterday with the 300/+1 .Lined up one monster and thought what the hell see how long I last before getting obliterated.Took full concentration and a low front foot stance but to my surprise I survived, and really didn't think the 1850 would go that fast without blowing up.Checked later and it was 32.2 km/h.Had a couple of similar experiences proning on it with the 232/+1 and found as long as I hold a line and height it will stay there , if you let it rise even a tiny bit it's all over because it keeps going up then.
Having said that it's takes full commitment and concentration at speed , but it is possible, certainty not as easy as the smaller wings but doable.

MidAtlanticFoil
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Yesterday , 22 Sep 2020 9:55AM
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hilly said..
Really like the 232 for wingding it is better in every way. Way faster than the 300. About 10 Armstrong riders here all think the same. When I first tried it I did not like it as I was so used to the 300.


I just ran the 300 tail with the 1550 for the first time in a loooong while and I enjoyed it. Conditions were basically flat with a few 1' swells. I was out to dial in tacks and was able to nail 95%. Day before with the 232 I wasn't making nearly as many (around 20%), yet I was on a 1M smaller wing in similar winds. Only other change I made was slamming my mast all the way forward (switched around the t-nuts).

I even ran the CF800 wing for the first time with a 4M wing in around 20mph with the 300. That was interesting and had a blast racing some windsurfers. Gybes were tricky! Barely made any tacks.

The 300 tail wing definitely feels a bit more safe and locked in, less ready to dive into a banking turn (which I crave when prone). Good to mix it up and I will be using that wing for when I want to dial in any winging maneuvers.

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