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Armstrong CF1600 review

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Created by hilly > 9 months ago, 13 Jul 2019
hilly
WA, 5251 posts
11 Oct 2019 4:46PM
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warwickl said..

hilly said..


JEG said..
your killing it Hilly and how I would like that local spot, ya'll!




Ha ha local. I wish, lazy 1000k drive



Have you changed boards?


Smik suffered a bit of damage and was out of action, so on the backup and not loving it to tell the truth. Once you have tried a short light board it is hard to go back. Wish I had videoed the first few days I had the Smik and the 1200 out In the shop now will be good as new next week.

hilly
WA, 5251 posts
6 Nov 2019 7:10PM
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Used the 1600 with the wind ding tonight. Was awesome, really stable and easy to pump on to bumps.

kobo
NSW, 203 posts
7 Nov 2019 5:58AM
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hilly said..
Used the 1600 with the wind ding tonight. Was awesome, really stable and easy to pump on to bumps.


Hilly ,do you notice any mast flex with the Armstrong compared to the Axis , and does it matter or not.

hilly
WA, 5251 posts
7 Nov 2019 5:45AM
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kobo said..

hilly said..
Used the 1600 with the wind ding tonight. Was awesome, really stable and easy to pump on to bumps.



Hilly ,do you notice any mast flex with the Armstrong compared to the Axis , and does it matter or not.


Yes more flex but it does not matter I actually prefer it to the dead heavy feel of aluminium mast. Noticeable when using 2400 and standing on board as a slight wobble but when up and riding do not notice it. Like flex in surfboard fins it probably helps when riding the wave. Feels more alive and responsive.

kobo
NSW, 203 posts
7 Nov 2019 8:00PM
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Thanks Hilly

hilly
WA, 5251 posts
30 Nov 2019 1:07PM
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Been riding the 1550 a fair bit lately but wingdinged the 1600 today. Super fun, easy to get up foiling, linked runners easily and pumped well . Awesome. Feels a tad slower but sometimes that is good. Stayed on runners rather than blowing past them and needed less wind to get going than the 1550. Great wing, super stable

Piros
QLD, 5837 posts
30 Nov 2019 9:45PM
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Yeah totally agree Hilly I put my NP large on today for a nuking Wing Ding downwind instead of my high aspect Axis 90 . The NP was slower but easier to control but it did blow out a few times but overall I had more control and easier to link runs when I depowered the wing . Still so much to learn .

WA Surf & Foil
WA, 236 posts
6 Dec 2019 4:36PM
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We have just received some new toys and wings into stock including the HS232 tail wing which we are super keen to test

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DaHammerBDA
28 posts
22 Dec 2019 5:39AM
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Greetings. Anymore feedback on the 1600 vs the 1550 for wingdinging. I've been using the 2400 with great success but need a little less foil for those 18+ knots days.

hilly
WA, 5251 posts
22 Dec 2019 6:01AM
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Greetings. Anymore feedback on the 1600 vs the 1550 for wingdinging. I've been using the 2400 with great success but need a little less foil for those 18+ knots days.


Both are really good. 1600 early lift very stable. 1550 slightly harder to get up but a bit faster. Both turn well with the 1600 generating more lift when it turns. I have not tried the 1600 with the new smaller stab which could be interesting

DaHammerBDA
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22 Dec 2019 8:59AM
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hilly said..

DaHammerBDA said..
Greetings. Anymore feedback on the 1600 vs the 1550 for wingdinging. I've been using the 2400 with great success but need a little less foil for those 18+ knots days.



Both are really good. 1600 early lift very stable. 1550 slightly harder to get up but a bit faster. Both turn well with the 1600 generating more lift when it turns. I have not tried the 1600 with the new smaller stab which could be interesting


Hilly thanks for your feedback. Your not making my decision any easier, both foils seem solid. Maybe the 1600 is better for wingdinging due to to the slightly slower speeds.

hilly
WA, 5251 posts
22 Dec 2019 10:53AM
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DaHammerBDA said..Maybe the 1600 is better for wingdinging due to to the slightly slower speeds.


Possibly. Your weight would have an impact too. I am 105kg. kite foiled the 1550 today way over powered. Could not do that on the 1600. If you want top end then the 1550 is better.

emmafoils
140 posts
22 Dec 2019 5:53PM
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1600 v 1550: depends on your experience level. According to Armstrong, they are 2 very different wings. 1600 is much easier to learn on and progress while the 1550 is better suited to the more experienced rider.

willow75
21 posts
23 Dec 2019 5:37AM
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Have just tried the 232 tail, with the 1550 & the 1200 - new favourite set up for wingfoiling! Seem to get away with the 1200 in anything over 15kn.. Once you try the small tail its hard to go back! So much faster and responsive.. Havn't tried the new hs1050, but that looks promising too.. In saying that I'm pretty light so maybe I get away with less lift!

hilly
WA, 5251 posts
23 Dec 2019 7:49AM
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willow75 said..
Have just tried the 232 tail, with the 1550 & the 1200 - new favourite set up for wingfoiling! Seem to get away with the 1200 in anything over 15kn.. Once you try the small tail its hard to go back! So much faster and responsive.. Havn't tried the new hs1050, but that looks promising too.. In saying that I'm pretty light so maybe I get away with less lift!


Not so sure about the 232 tail. At my weight I think I prefer the old tail. It was good for kite foiling but for surf and wingding I might go back to the old tail and see how it feels. Like the locked in feel of the old tail. The 232 has way less lateral stability.

hilly
WA, 5251 posts
23 Dec 2019 5:32PM
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Just had a a great wingding 1600 and 232. Great combo. So easy to get up and keep going compared to the 1550. Very gusty offshore wind 10 to 20 knots. Slower than 1550 but stuck on the bumps really well. The smaller tail loosened up the 1600 nicely, might have to try it in the surf.

Cygnify
QLD, 79 posts
3 Jan 2020 11:08AM
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hilly said..
Just had a a great wingding 1600 and 232. Great combo. So easy to get up and keep going compared to the 1550. Very gusty offshore wind 10 to 20 knots. Slower than 1550 but stuck on the bumps really well. The smaller tail loosened up the 1600 nicely, might have to try it in the surf.



I use the 1600/1200 combo at the moment and recently added the 232. Exactly as above loosened the the 1600 up perfectly. Much more playful whilst still having just as much control. I can't see a reason why I would want to use the original tail over the 232 going forward.
Also I found that I can pump beautifully on the 232, but I just reached the stage where I can actually pump now, not sure if the tail changed just happened at the right time or it actually helped a bit (think a bit of both).

kobo
NSW, 203 posts
3 Jan 2020 4:37PM
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You boys got me interested in the 232, I've been proning the 1550 and 1200 with uni tail and loving it, I have the 0 and +1 shims and I have found when the surf gets bigger I use the +1 tail shim and it makes a noticeable speed difference on the 1550 ,I changed it over in the same conditions the other day and the gps recorded 38 kms with the +1 shim and I could only reach 32kms with the 0 shim.Also the take offs were easier on the bigger waves with the +1.
I can pump forever on the 1550 with the 0 shim but seem to lose it with the +1 but I think that's my technique more than anything, but you do notice less lift with the +1.
Very happy with the turning of both wings , but hey if the 232 tail makes it's even better why not ,
Im 84 kg on a 4'6 prone .

kobo
NSW, 203 posts
3 Jan 2020 4:42PM
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Can't imagine needing anymore lift than I have got with the 1550, but that's on a prone board and I'm 84 kgs, hope to wingding one day , but I'll have to buy a bigger board as well.

willow75
21 posts
4 Jan 2020 5:57AM
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Definitely go back to the 0 shim to try the 232 :) It's loose enough with the 0! Once you get used to the looseness - amazing carvability, then there is no going back to the big one! Definitely makes the 1550 much faster through the water...

kobo
NSW, 203 posts
4 Jan 2020 10:06AM
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That makes sense, I got to get one, how about pumpability with the 232 ?

DaHammerBDA
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5 Jan 2020 4:47AM
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DaHammerBDA said..
Greetings. Anymore feedback on the 1600 vs the 1550 for wingdinging. I've been using the 2400 with great success but need a little less foil for those 18+ knots days.


Situation update: After receiving some feedback here and having a couple of beers I decided to order the 1550, 232 & 85 mast. Armstrong offered free shipping over Christmas and I wanted to take advantage of this since I live on a rock in the middle of nowhere and shipping can get expensive. I have been completely obsessed with Sup foiling for the last 2 years, the wingding has taken the obsession to the point of foil insanity. I have been using the 2400 and Uni tail to learn with along with F-One Swing wings. This setup works great, the 2400/uni tail is super stable and well balanced, it cruises around quietly, effortlessly and efficiently like it was specially designed for wingdinging. Over 18 knots, it still worked great, but I felt I could use less foil. Enter the 1550/232, it rides and feels almost exactly like the 2400/uni just faster with improved handling. The increased speed is not 'holy **** I'm going to crash speed' but more confidence boosting where you want to rip a turn because I have all this speed and it feels amazing. I also feel that I can point higher to weather, this might be related to the added speed. The 85 mast was also a game changer, the extra height helps when flying over choppy water. The 85 seems to help through the turns as well, giving some extra wiggle room. Armstrong has definitely figured it out, adding just the right amount of magic to their foils.

MidAtlanticFoil
66 posts
5 Jan 2020 6:40AM
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I just picked up an Armstrong prone 4' 5.5" board. Received it yesterday and after feeling it up thoroughly till late in the night, setting up traction, I'm ready to take it for a spin.
There is a ton going on in the shape. More rocker than I was expecting. Subtle double concave across the deck. Very balanced concave/rocker front to back on the deck as well, which will probably work like my canted snowboard bindings and make pumping and carving more comfortable. The chines also have pretty substantial concave built in, allowing a much better tail to grab for duck dives. Rails feel surfboard like.I'm moving from a 4'10" 37 ltr down to this 33 ltr board. Being only 65kgs, plenty of volume and paddle power to get into our beach breaks.
Also hoping to wing ding with this board when the wind is blowing hard enough. The straps are really nice. 314 stainless screws and titanium washers are nice touches. Also opted for the adjustable carbon kick tail. I think it will be awesome for dialing in foot position.
I have the 1050 wing on order as well.
Anyone riding these boards out there?

JEG
VIC, 1469 posts
17 Jan 2020 8:43AM
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the CF1600 complete foil setup kit is nice, got to test it yesterday on 1-2ft for about 20mins. Its easy lift, almost automatic compare to HA wing and really stable, its so light and I reckon just over 3kgs total weight. Thanks Southby and nice foil setup.

Southby
VIC, 23 posts
25 Jan 2020 6:48PM
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Thanks JEG! After 5 months on the 1600 which I thought was a fantastic wing to learn on, I have now upgraded to the 1550 wing along with the 232 tailwing. I have had 3 sessions on the 1550 in good conditions including a racing wall which I had been caught out a few times on the 1600 the previous day. However it flew through that section and I found it very stable, turns and pumps really well so I'm thrilled with it.

At the same time I got a new SUP going from a 6'5"'Naish down to a 5'11" Dean Snow custom at 5.5kg and the combination has been awesome. I plan to add the 232 tailwing after a few more sessions.

I'm not sure if I ever go back to the 1600 again and may just progress on the 1550 until Armstrong come out with more new wings in the future. I did get a 1200 wing 2 mths ago but found that I couldn't use it as my everyday go to wing rather for just occasional big days. I should have got the 1550 then but all good now. I'm looking forward to trying the 232 next week and are so pleased that I'm on Armstrong!

JEG
VIC, 1469 posts
27 Jan 2020 12:29PM
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Southby said..
Thanks JEG! After 5 months on the 1600 which I thought was a fantastic wing to learn on, I have now upgraded to the 1550 wing along with the 232 tailwing. I have had 3 sessions on the 1550 in good conditions including a racing wall which I had been caught out a few times on the 1600 the previous day. However it flew through that section and I found it very stable, turns and pumps really well so I'm thrilled with it.

At the same time I got a new SUP going from a 6'5"'Naish down to a 5'11" Dean Snow custom at 5.5kg and the combination has been awesome. I plan to add the 232 tailwing after a few more sessions.

I'm not sure if I ever go back to the 1600 again and may just progress on the 1550 until Armstrong come out with more new wings in the future. I did get a 1200 wing 2 mths ago but found that I couldn't use it as my everyday go to wing rather for just occasional big days. I should have got the 1550 then but all good now. I'm looking forward to trying the 232 next week and are so pleased that I'm on Armstrong!


Looking fast Southby, just need slow down now

jrc22ski
32 posts
16 Mar 2020 10:50AM
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I am considering a SUP Foil set-up for SUP - surf and wing foiling.

I like the Armstrong foils and would like perspective on correct size for someone that weighs 170 #'s.

I currently SUP surf a 102L board.

Thanks in advance..

kobo
NSW, 203 posts
16 Mar 2020 4:09PM
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I'm a prone surfer on the Armstrong at 82kgs and I recon either the 1600 wing or the 1550 would be the go with a 72 or 85 mast and a tc 60 or 70 fuse and uni tail .The easiest setup would be the 1600 with 72 mast and tc 70 fuse and the uni tail.I wouldn't go the short fuse tc 50 or the small tail 232 to start with ,way too much to handle in the beginning, and you can always get them later if you want the performance.



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