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Axis new "B" series foils and 980 front wing

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Created by wicka 4 months ago, 21 Nov 2020
Alysum
NSW, 761 posts
10 Mar 2021 10:12PM
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hangloose said..
Winging: changed from last year Slingshot (84, 76) to Axis 84kg
Got during winter PNG1150/460 with short fusselage: disappointing - had "spin-outs", no short turns possible. Ordered 370 and ultrashort fussellage....

Monday I tried my PNG 1150/370 combo with new ultrashort (instead of short) fusselage - perfect loose feeling! thats my optimal 6-5m2, low wind combo (+7kn).
Same day wind picked up (only 11kn!!) and I tried my new HSP 980 first time - 980/460 (ultrashort) combo - extremly fast, did not think it will fly at only 11kn - no problem at all, take up speed with front-foot pressure - pump, release -> up and foiling. interestingly no spinouts with 460 - fits to this setup (cut tips now to 430 to be looser - can report next time)

Happy so far with Axis, but I am looking forward to my already ordered 420 and 380 and the announced BSC970.
Rear-wings are as important, as front wings - changes everything....

My future winging quiver (for 84kg):
Light wind: PNG1150/420/ultrashort
High wind: HSP980/380/ultrashort
Day to day fun: BSC970/370/ultrashort

looking forward to learn about 420/380 experiences....

Wings: 6m, 4m, 3,3m Echo, 5m Unit
Board: 6,3 Fanatic - (ordered: 5,4 Quatro)



My comments, since you are 100% focused on winging it seems:
- Black series fuselage: I prefer the short fuse way more. The ultra short is a wild ride with lots of pulses. For HA fast wings you're best with longer fuselages for stability and especially in light winds.
- High wind: the 980 is too much lift for high winds, go the 880HPS it's insane
- Stabilisers: they are absolutely important, I have the 420 and enjoy it. Compared to the 460 it does not skid which is a bonus. Upturned tips seems to help going upwind a bit better. Looking forward to the 380 as well for high winds.

My current setup is HPS700 (over 25kn), HPS880 (over 18kn), HPS1050 (under 18kn). I love those wings and I think consistency in a quiver is good. Also use the 700&880 for kite foil and one day I'll SUP the 1050 (both with the 390 tail). Never felt like I needed Black ultra-short despite that I have ultra short S series.

hangloose
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16 Mar 2021 11:19PM
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Alysum said..

hangloose said..
Winging: changed from last year Slingshot (84, 76) to Axis 84kg
Got during winter PNG1150/460 with short fusselage: disappointing - had "spin-outs", no short turns possible. Ordered 370 and ultrashort fussellage....

Monday I tried my PNG 1150/370 combo with new ultrashort (instead of short) fusselage - perfect loose feeling! thats my optimal 6-5m2, low wind combo (+7kn).
Same day wind picked up (only 11kn!!) and I tried my new HSP 980 first time - 980/460 (ultrashort) combo - extremly fast, did not think it will fly at only 11kn - no problem at all, take up speed with front-foot pressure - pump, release -> up and foiling. interestingly no spinouts with 460 - fits to this setup (cut tips now to 430 to be looser - can report next time)

Happy so far with Axis, but I am looking forward to my already ordered 420 and 380 and the announced BSC970.
Rear-wings are as important, as front wings - changes everything....

My future winging quiver (for 84kg):
Light wind: PNG1150/420/ultrashort
High wind: HSP980/380/ultrashort
Day to day fun: BSC970/370/ultrashort

looking forward to learn about 420/380 experiences....

Wings: 6m, 4m, 3,3m Echo, 5m Unit
Board: 6,3 Fanatic - (ordered: 5,4 Quatro)




My comments, since you are 100% focused on winging it seems:
- Black series fuselage: I prefer the short fuse way more. The ultra short is a wild ride with lots of pulses. For HA fast wings you're best with longer fuselages for stability and especially in light winds.
- High wind: the 980 is too much lift for high winds, go the 880HPS it's insane
- Stabilisers: they are absolutely important, I have the 420 and enjoy it. Compared to the 460 it does not skid which is a bonus. Upturned tips seems to help going upwind a bit better. Looking forward to the 380 as well for high winds.

My current setup is HPS700 (over 25kn), HPS880 (over 18kn), HPS1050 (under 18kn). I love those wings and I think consistency in a quiver is good. Also use the 700&880 for kite foil and one day I'll SUP the 1050 (both with the 390 tail). Never felt like I needed Black ultra-short despite that I have ultra short S series.


Yes wing 100% now. Landlocked lakes mostly! Gusty windconditions - short steep waves (max 50-70cm).
980 with 460 ultrashort perfect, - no skidding - cut stabi now down to 430 -> super loose top!
1150 with 460 ultrashort - skidding too often - changed to 370, now perfect - future 420 (not arrived yet).

Interestingly I have to mount both HA-foils in the utmost front position in my US-box - to get comfi-lift (both legs relaxed). I will try now next to shim +1degree - hope I can move foil a little bit back (better for rear-foot position in strap for jumping) - any experience with shim and mast position?

NordRoi
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4 Apr 2021 8:54PM
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Gee, I agree Axis series are complicated, I went thru 7 pages and still not sure what I need. I contacted them and did not receive a clear answer...they were probably very busy. So for less than 8-12kts winging, the PNG 1150 works? I have 3 goals, pump and wake foil behind my boat. Wingfoil and also prone foil when wind drops.Need 2 max 3 wing$$.BSC series? Only winging the last 2 months. Need one for light wind locally(mostly 8-12kts) and a more wavy foil when I travelling to hunt waves and more wind, about 73kg.
I'm starting to nail my jibe, so not super advanced also.
thanks

flkiter
83 posts
5 Apr 2021 7:33AM
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NordRoi said..
Gee, I agree Axis series are complicated, I went thru 7 pages and still not sure what I need. I contacted them and did not receive a clear answer...they were probably very busy. So for less than 8-12kts winging, the PNG 1150 works? I have 3 goals, pump and wake foil behind my boat. Wingfoil and also prone foil when wind drops.Need 2 max 3 wing$$.BSC series? Only winging the last 2 months. Need one for light wind locally(mostly 8-12kts) and a more wavy foil when I travelling to hunt waves and more wind, about 73kg.
I'm starting to nail my jibe, so not super advanced also.
thanks


I would recommend getting the 1150 with a 370 rear and short or ultra short fuselage. That'll handle the light wind and small waves and then throw on a 1000 for faster winging and carving bigger waves.

Piros
QLD, 6131 posts
5 Apr 2021 4:30PM
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The trick with picking the right Axis gear , is to first establish what kind of foiler are you . The reviews are so mixed and confusing. If your are a early Sup foil surfer you'll want want something bigger and more low aspect 1150, 1020 & 920 , advance from that to an intermediate Sup surfer or prone surfer 900 , 910 & 1000. If you start to wing ding all those wings work . Now you have mastered all that it's time to look at the Black series. The 980 is king for all 3 genres . Once you go Black you won't go back . This is where the confusion starts. Carbon mast my opinion best for prone . The 19mm Ali is the best and stiffest on the market for your long mast on Sup & Ding . The Black wing range is amazing . 1050 , 980 , 930 , 890 , 880, 810 & 700 tow wing. If you are a Sup foiler first 980 , 930 & 890 . The 890 is an amazing wingding and great on the prone , if you have your prone game together it's amazing for the wing . The old 900 is still one of my favourite prone and wingding wings . So don't be scared off the smaller wings on windy days for the ding . Fuse length still a fan of the short, rear wing wise around the 370 to 400 rear on all of the above IMHO. So if you are a proner first and ding , drop down a size . If you are a Supper first then the ding just go up a size. If you are a Sup DW go up a size and drop down as you skill improves. Definitely the best wing range available on the market, just filter through the reviews from someone your size , ability & foil genre to make your selection for the best Axis wing for you.

Camarillo
295 posts
5 Apr 2021 3:49PM
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Thanks Piros but what about the Broad Spectrum Carve foils?

The 3 bigger BSC foils are on the red fuse, the rest is on the black.

Piros
QLD, 6131 posts
5 Apr 2021 6:52PM
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Haven't had a chance to try those

Alysum
NSW, 761 posts
6 Apr 2021 9:00AM
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Piros said..
The trick with picking the right Axis gear , is to first establish what kind of foiler are you . The reviews are so mixed and confusing. If your are a early Sup foil surfer you'll want want something bigger and more low aspect 1150, 1020 & 920 , advance from that to an intermediate Sup surfer or prone surfer 900 , 910 & 1000. If you start to wing ding all those wings work . Now you have mastered all that it's time to look at the Black series. The 980 is king for all 3 genres . Once you go Black you won't go back . This is where the confusion starts. Carbon mast my opinion best for prone . The 19mm Ali is the best and stiffest on the market for your long mast on Sup & Ding . The Black wing range is amazing . 1050 , 980 , 930 , 890 , 880, 810 & 700 tow wing. If you are a Sup foiler first 980 , 930 & 890 . The 890 is an amazing wingding and great on the prone , if you have your prone game together it's amazing for the wing . The old 900 is still one of my favourite prone and wingding wings . So don't be scared off the smaller wings on windy days for the ding . Fuse length still a fan of the short, rear wing wise around the 370 to 400 rear on all of the above IMHO. So if you are a proner first and ding , drop down a size . If you are a Supper first then the ding just go up a size. If you are a Sup DW go up a size and drop down as you skill improves. Definitely the best wing range available on the market, just filter through the reviews from someone your size , ability & foil genre to make your selection for the best Axis wing for you.


Not a bad summary...

I keep telling people who are learning to wing to start on the 920, then a 900/100. Plenty of them going for cheap at the moment. 390 has been my favourite tail (pre black) as it's so user friendly and locks you in when carving hard.

Now I'm 100% on HPS black series with the 420 tail (best Axis tail). Axis are currently one of the best and fastest foil on the market at the moment, other wingers can't keep up with me

The Axis Foil Riders Facebook group I created is a good place to help clear confusion and Adrian even replies there sometimes.

bigmtn
41 posts
7 Apr 2021 4:00AM
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I'm 75kg, I proned with the 900, 390 tail for prob a year, loved it. I've since switched to the black fuse(ultrashort) and have a 3 foil quiver.
980 for downwinding/downwinging/small waves prone/light wind winging
810 for prone/winging in waves
700 for tow/winging in strong wind with bigger waves

been using a kane tail with all of them, but may go back to one of the stock axis tails for the 700 when winging.

Hdip
180 posts
7 Apr 2021 4:23AM
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Oh yeah, How's the KDMaui tail going? Which AXIS tail would you say it's like?

Have you chopped a 370 yet? That's all the rage out here in LA right now.

Alysum
NSW, 761 posts
7 Apr 2021 6:53AM
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No need for a Kane tail on axis, they have enough tails chop shop a 460 or use the 420. The smaller version 380 should be the gold.

jatem
10 posts
7 Apr 2021 4:54PM
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How does the 980 flat water pump / dock start compared to the 1010?

Alysum
NSW, 761 posts
8 Apr 2021 10:40AM
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jatem said..
How does the 980 flat water pump / dock start compared to the 1010?


I haven't seen anyone dock start with either of those. The 980 would be way too small too, a mate tried and failed.

shaka808
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Monday , 12 Apr 2021 3:59PM
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Alysum said..

jatem said..
How does the 980 flat water pump / dock start compared to the 1010?



I haven't seen anyone dock start with either of those. The 980 would be way too small too, a mate tried and failed.


The 980 is a beast, not sure how it's too small to dock start. That said it does have a high stall speed, so more unforgiving compared to the 1010 at low speed. That said it pumps effortlessly and is faster than the 900.
As for tails, the Kane tail is most similar to the 390 with the slight anhedral in the tips. Significantly faster, but the same locked in feel when connecting turns.

Supnorte
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Wednesday , 14 Apr 2021 4:46PM
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jatem said..
How does the 980 flat water pump / dock start compared to the 1010?


The 1010 is a much better wing for dock start pumping, since it has a bigger area and you can pump it at a lower speed. The HPS pumps fast but you need to keep the speed up.
Here's a friend of mine dock starting the 980: fb.watch/4SplzdFbDr/



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