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Axis prone foil pumpers ?

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Created by eppo 3 months ago, 16 Feb 2020
eppo
WA, 7525 posts
16 Feb 2020 8:15AM
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So fellow axisinians , anyone with some real life experience on the best combo with the 900 high aspect front wing for pumping back out to the waves when prone surfing. I've got the old long fuselage and the 440 back / 75 cm mast.

ultra short / new 370 ? What's the overall stability like with that setup? I can nearly pump back out any loss of speed or one irregular pump and I can't recover.

anyhow thought I'd throw it out there to the people experimenting with this stuff. cheers in advance.

toppleover
QLD, 1657 posts
16 Feb 2020 11:07AM
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Hey Eppo, I had the 900/utrashort/370 combo & could pump it pretty good (enough to link multiple waves ect). Started with the 440/ultra & found I could pump better with the 370, also turned way better.

frenchfoiler
149 posts
16 Feb 2020 9:39AM
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eppo said..
So fellow axisinians , anyone with some real life experience on the best combo with the 900 high aspect front wing for pumping back out to the waves when prone surfing. I've got the old long fuselage and the 440 back / 75 cm mast.

ultra short / new 370 ? What's the overall stability like with that setup? I can nearly pump back out any loss of speed or one irregular pump and I can't recover.

anyhow thought I'd throw it out there to the people experimenting with this stuff. cheers in advance.


I've been using the new ultrashort fus and 370 stab (with shim), works good for me.
I tried with the new down curve stab, it felt weird at first, then I was getting used to it and seems to better for pumping but too much lift at the back. So maybe for a bigger rider (I'm 73kg) or for sup it might be good ?
I just choped my 400 stab, I need to sand it to make thinner, I will let you know.

eppo
WA, 7525 posts
16 Feb 2020 9:50AM
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Hey Eppo, I had the 900/utrashort/370 combo & could pump it pretty good (enough to link multiple waves ect). Started with the 440/ultra & found I could pump better with the 370, also turned way better.


What was the yaw and pitch stability difference with the smaller 370 back wing?

also I take it you always used the ultra short fuse and not the longer ones first ?

eppo
WA, 7525 posts
16 Feb 2020 9:53AM
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eppo said..
So fellow axisinians , anyone with some real life experience on the best combo with the 900 high aspect front wing for pumping back out to the waves when prone surfing. I've got the old long fuselage and the 440 back / 75 cm mast.

ultra short / new 370 ? What's the overall stability like with that setup? I can nearly pump back out any loss of speed or one irregular pump and I can't recover.

anyhow thought I'd throw it out there to the people experimenting with this stuff. cheers in advance.






I've been using the new ultrashort fus and 370 stab (with shim), works good for me.
I tried with the new down curve stab, it felt weird at first, then I was getting used to it and seems to better for pumping but too much lift at the back. So maybe for a bigger rider (I'm 73kg) or for sup it might be good ?
I just choped my 400 stab, I need to sand it to make thinner, I will let you know.





Yeh I'm about 78kg so kind of in the same weight bracket. Interesting to see how the thinner 400 goes for sure.
So I presume the shorter fuse is easier to pump, given the same back wing.
Then the smaller back wing gives you even better pump ability.

just wondering what is lost in yaw and pitch stability. I don't want to pump better but can't actually stay stable enough on the wave itself.

Wondering if there is a happy middle ground somewhere. Maybe you will find it with the 400.

toppleover
QLD, 1657 posts
16 Feb 2020 12:13PM
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eppo said..

toppleover said..
Hey Eppo, I had the 900/utrashort/370 combo & could pump it pretty good (enough to link multiple waves ect). Started with the 440/ultra & found I could pump better with the 370, also turned way better.



What was the yaw and pitch stability difference with the smaller 370 back wing?

also I take it you always used the ultra short fuse and not the longer ones first ?


The 900 is still really stable with the 370 mate & yeah only ever used the Ultrashort.

Camarillo
259 posts
16 Feb 2020 5:03PM
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frenchfoiler said..

I've been using the new ultrashort fus and 370 stab (with shim), works good for me.
I tried with the new down curve stab, it felt weird at first, then I was getting used to it and seems to better for pumping but too much lift at the back. So maybe for a bigger rider (I'm 73kg) or for sup it might be good ?


Where did you put the shim, front or rear screw and what did you achieve doing this?

What new down curve stab do you mean?

DWF
185 posts
16 Feb 2020 7:50PM
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I would only recommend the old standard long fuse for 100 kg plus balance challenged OGs.

eppo
WA, 7525 posts
17 Feb 2020 8:22AM
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eppo said..



toppleover said..
Hey Eppo, I had the 900/utrashort/370 combo & could pump it pretty good (enough to link multiple waves ect). Started with the 440/ultra & found I could pump better with the 370, also turned way better.





What was the yaw and pitch stability difference with the smaller 370 back wing?

also I take it you always used the ultra short fuse and not the longer ones first ?




The 900 is still really stable with the 370 mate & yeah only ever used the Ultrashort.



Sweet man cheers for the info !

that 900 wing is something else hey.

toppleover
QLD, 1657 posts
17 Feb 2020 6:18PM
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eppo said..

toppleover said..



eppo said..




toppleover said..
Hey Eppo, I had the 900/utrashort/370 combo & could pump it pretty good (enough to link multiple waves ect). Started with the 440/ultra & found I could pump better with the 370, also turned way better.






What was the yaw and pitch stability difference with the smaller 370 back wing?

also I take it you always used the ultra short fuse and not the longer ones first ?





The 900 is still really stable with the 370 mate & yeah only ever used the Ultrashort.




Sweet man cheers for the info !

that 900 wing is something else hey.


No worries mate, great to see your getting into it.
I've sold all of my kite gear (mad kite frother for about 13 years) & now fully addicted to prone foiling.

eppo
WA, 7525 posts
17 Feb 2020 4:30PM
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Well I haven't gone that far but I know what you mean.

Hard not have kites on the west coast! But if you gave me a priority list it would go proning, foil kiting, strapless SB tricks, strapless wave riding then TT riding well down the list.


not sure why it's so addictive but it is !! Maybe it's because it turns a small wave into a head high bomb and a head high bomb into a a 10 foot day! Maybe it's the speed and linking up sections you never dreamed you'd ever get.


but yeh, I do understand your call.

3 hours of cranked bliss today !!

hey what board you using ??

toppleover
QLD, 1657 posts
17 Feb 2020 6:38PM
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eppo said..
Well I haven't gone that far but I know what you mean.

Hard not have kites on the west coast! But if you gave me a priority list it would go proning, foil kiting, strapless SB tricks, strapless wave riding then TT riding well down the list.


not sure why it's so addictive but it is !! Maybe it's because it turns a small wave into a head high bomb and a head high bomb into a a 10 foot day! Maybe it's the speed and linking up sections you never dreamed you'd ever get.


but yeh, I do understand your call.

3 hours of cranked bliss today !!

hey what board you using ??





Amos shapes 4'4 Highflyer 30L & agreed you'd be mad to not have a kite in the west

www.instagram.com/p/B8qZ-VSnwaR/?igshid=1fi5a1hjqw7uw

Holoholo
57 posts
18 Feb 2020 1:20AM
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frenchfoiler said..


I've been using the new ultrashort fus and 370 stab (with shim), works good for me.
I tried with the new down curve stab, it felt weird at first, then I was getting used to it and seems to better for pumping but too much lift at the back. So maybe for a bigger rider (I'm 73kg) or for sup it might be good ?
I just choped my 400 stab, I need to sand it to make thinner, I will let you know.


I'd be interested to know what you are finding w/ using shims on your axis gear as I have yet to play around this. Are you shimming in the surf or DWs or... both? Just using washers... on the rear hole to increase lift? Is there much increase in drag? What is the difference between a shimmed fuse vs just bumping the mast forward?

I'm on a 900 with ultra-short fuse and 400 rear on a prone. Works great, but like most foilers I think------ always looking for ways to make what's great even greatererer.

eppo
WA, 7525 posts
18 Feb 2020 7:02PM
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toppleover said..


eppo said..
Well I haven't gone that far but I know what you mean.

Hard not have kites on the west coast! But if you gave me a priority list it would go proning, foil kiting, strapless SB tricks, strapless wave riding then TT riding well down the list.


not sure why it's so addictive but it is !! Maybe it's because it turns a small wave into a head high bomb and a head high bomb into a a 10 foot day! Maybe it's the speed and linking up sections you never dreamed you'd ever get.


but yeh, I do understand your call.

3 hours of cranked bliss today !!

hey what board you using ??







Amos shapes 4'4 Highflyer 30L & agreed you'd be mad to not have a kite in the west

www.instagram.com/p/B8qZ-VSnwaR/?igshid=1fi5a1hjqw7uw



Yeh I have an Amos. Fck knows what it's called but it ain't 4'4... man that's small!! Mines 5 foot 32 litres and I'd like more volume.

Id like to know wtf shimms do full stop! Better for pumping ? Why?

toppleover
QLD, 1657 posts
18 Feb 2020 9:13PM
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I contacted Axis about shims for the 900 & they suggested cutting a shim out of a plastic milk bottle & placing it under the front screw hole on the rear wing. All this does is reduce some lift/drag, imo its hardly noticeable in the surf.
But I did leave mine in just in case

frenchfoiler
149 posts
19 Feb 2020 6:36AM
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Holoholo said..

frenchfoiler said..


I've been using the new ultrashort fus and 370 stab (with shim), works good for me.
I tried with the new down curve stab, it felt weird at first, then I was getting used to it and seems to better for pumping but too much lift at the back. So maybe for a bigger rider (I'm 73kg) or for sup it might be good ?
I just choped my 400 stab, I need to sand it to make thinner, I will let you know.



I'd be interested to know what you are finding w/ using shims on your axis gear as I have yet to play around this. Are you shimming in the surf or DWs or... both? Just using washers... on the rear hole to increase lift? Is there much increase in drag? What is the difference between a shimmed fuse vs just bumping the mast forward?

I'm on a 900 with ultra-short fuse and 400 rear on a prone. Works great, but like most foilers I think------ always looking for ways to make what's great even greatererer.


Axis sent me the 3d file to print it.

Basicly it goes under both holes but it is tappered, a bit thicker under the front screw (I will make a photo).
To be honest I don't know if I can feel the difference, and to be totally honest before I got the good shim I did one wrong (under the back screw, which is the one for windsurfing) and it worked. But I like this set up and it seems to work better for pumping, I should do a true test but I'm too lazy.

Holoholo
57 posts
19 Feb 2020 1:49PM
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Thanks for the reply. Guess that is the call......... paddle out with a wrench and a pocket fill of washers and play around see what different angles feel like for myself..

Camarillo
259 posts
20 Feb 2020 3:00PM
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frenchfoiler said..

Axis sent me the 3d file to print it.
Basicly it goes under both holes but it is tappered, a bit thicker under the front screw (I will make a photo).
To be honest I don't know if I can feel the difference, and to be totally honest before I got the good shim I did one wrong (under the back screw, which is the one for windsurfing) and it worked. But I like this set up and it seems to work better for pumping, I should do a true test but I'm too lazy.


I would like to have the 3D file... can you give it or should I contact Axis?

I have a 3d printer and have made shims to put between board and plate to adjust the angle of the whole foil.
I use this only on a board that has too much rocker.

bigmtn
24 posts
21 Feb 2020 1:45AM
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When I got my 900 setup it had a shim on the stab, originally took it off. Just put it back on, we'll see if I notice a difference.

frenchfoiler
149 posts
21 Feb 2020 8:41AM
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Camarillo said..

frenchfoiler said..

Axis sent me the 3d file to print it.
Basicly it goes under both holes but it is tappered, a bit thicker under the front screw (I will make a photo).
To be honest I don't know if I can feel the difference, and to be totally honest before I got the good shim I did one wrong (under the back screw, which is the one for windsurfing) and it worked. But I like this set up and it seems to work better for pumping, I should do a true test but I'm too lazy.



I would like to have the 3D file... can you give it or should I contact Axis?

I have a 3d printer and have made shims to put between board and plate to adjust the angle of the whole foil.
I use this only on a board that has too much rocker.


Yes I can send it to you no worries.

frenchfoiler
149 posts
21 Feb 2020 8:41AM
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Camarillo said..

frenchfoiler said..

Axis sent me the 3d file to print it.
Basicly it goes under both holes but it is tappered, a bit thicker under the front screw (I will make a photo).
To be honest I don't know if I can feel the difference, and to be totally honest before I got the good shim I did one wrong (under the back screw, which is the one for windsurfing) and it worked. But I like this set up and it seems to work better for pumping, I should do a true test but I'm too lazy.



I would like to have the 3D file... can you give it or should I contact Axis?

I have a 3d printer and have made shims to put between board and plate to adjust the angle of the whole foil.
I use this only on a board that has too much rocker.


Yes I can send it to you no worries.

bigmtn
24 posts
21 Feb 2020 11:18AM
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Rode 3-4 waves with the shim and didn't like it. 1 wave was like 400-500 yards long and my back leg was sore from trying to just keep the wing up. I could see how I'd like it in bigger more powerful waves, but in the wind swell I had today it felt way better without the shim. Plenty more lift.

900, ultra short, 370 stab.

The shim is tiny, maybe 1mm thicker at front screw, couldn't believe how such a small a change could make such a big change in how the foil felt.

Hank1
7 posts
6 Mar 2020 10:40AM
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Has anyone cut the tips off the 900 wing?

Jedibrad
NSW, 506 posts
6 Mar 2020 2:56PM
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Was thinking the same, I would like to lean it over a bit further

crez
NSW, 2 posts
10 Mar 2020 9:58PM
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Just got the 370 but seems to almost want to push the nose down on takeoff before it lifts. Anybody else had this before. Board is 5 ft

Holoholo
57 posts
11 Mar 2020 1:31AM
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I'm 90 Ks, on a 5-10 prone, 900 wing w/ ultra-short fuse. I went w/ the 370 on it for a few weeks and liked it, but gave the 400 a go the last few sessions and... I guess counter to many, found that I like it better for me right now. Likely a matter of weight, style and skill.... it just feels more balanced, smooth, faster and still turns great. I also found I pump better with this combo... the 370 was more quick light pumps- 400 pumps are slightly longer gliding arching pumps I can lean into more, that project forward more.



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