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GOFoil vs Axis Foil

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Created by Filow 3 months ago, 16 Jul 2019
Piros
QLD, 5570 posts
22 Sep 2019 4:36PM
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Camarillo the 920 and especially the 1020 are really good pump wings , you won't find a magic pump cure in the 900 or 1000 if you are not pumping those . Pumping is a lot more technique than you think , it's not just the wings. You need to practice pulling off the wave much earlier with more speed to try and get that pump flow. The higher aspect wings are faster and easier to pump (with speed) but with a much smaller sweet spot making them harder to use at first . Get the pump action wrong and they will collapse quickly where as the 1020 will still glide through. So for now just cut your ride way short and get off with speed and go for a link up , that's the best pump training , that and the dreaded dock starts , once you nail a dock start pumping really comes together fast in the waves . The Axis 1020 is the best Dock start wing around , so practice on that. New wing wise expect to see new surfing wings & Carbon mast from Axis , still aways off yet & NP are added high aspect to their wing range but they will be next year.

kobo
NSW, 9 posts
22 Sep 2019 5:47PM
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Piros said..
I still pump back out on the slim and link multi waves , I'm 56 to BTW it's just the 900 is easier. Haven't tried the Naish but they are less high aspect compared to these two. The Axis 820 is a good all rounder but it's pretty slow compared to the 900. Plenty of guys our size are just proning the 900 and loving it , plus some new exciting Axis wings on the way , NP have some gear as well but we'll be 57 by time it comes out
just came across this the 900 in action , gives you an idea of the pump flow.
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Good stuff thanks for that Piros, Maybe it technique that's stopping me from pumping my SS infinity 76 back out and not age ,weight and the wing.Anyone out there with the same wing as me having success ?

toppleover
QLD, 1559 posts
22 Sep 2019 6:40PM
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kobo said..

Good stuff thanks for that Piros, Maybe it technique that's stopping me from pumping my SS infinity 76 back out and not age ,weight and the wing.Anyone out there with the same wing as me having success ?




If you don't have any luck on this forum, maybe ask here about the 76,

m.facebook.com/groups/1836444329746160?src=email_notif

Or here,

forum.surfer.com/index.php

Camarillo
202 posts
24 Sep 2019 1:31AM
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Piros said..
Camarillo the 920 and especially the 1020 are really good pump wings , you won't find a magic pump cure in the 900 or 1000 if you are not pumping those . Pumping is a lot more technique than you think , it's not just the wings. You need to practice pulling off the wave much earlier with more speed to try and get that pump flow. The higher aspect wings are faster and easier to pump (with speed) but with a much smaller sweet spot making them harder to use at first . Get the pump action wrong and they will collapse quickly where as the 1020 will still glide through. So for now just cut your ride way short and get off with speed and go for a link up , that's the best pump training , that and the dreaded dock starts , once you nail a dock start pumping really comes together fast in the waves . The Axis 1020 is the best Dock start wing around , so practice on that. New wing wise expect to see new surfing wings & Carbon mast from Axis , still aways off yet & NP are added high aspect to their wing range but they will be next year.


I will pull off the wave earlier with more speed, stupid I didn't think off that myself.

New surfing wings , nice!
I hope the new carbon mast will be as stiff as the present mast.

Scotty Mac
SA, 1904 posts
24 Sep 2019 11:31AM
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I think the whole mast stiffness thing is a little over rated. I have used the M280 on both the go foil 24.5 and 29.5 masts. The 29.5 mast is a fair bit stiffer due to the wider chord. On the 24.5 mast and you can feel it flexing quite a lot when your paddling around but once you lift up on the foil I couldn't notice the difference at all to be honest.

Camarillo
202 posts
24 Sep 2019 4:29PM
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I need all the help I can get to feel comfortable on my 104 liter Jimmy Lewis @ 86kg
90% of my time on the water is very choppy and I get tired and miss a lot of waves with a noodle mast.
In these conditions I last at least twice as long with a stiff mast...

Piros
QLD, 5570 posts
1 Oct 2019 12:18PM
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Got a Axis 100cm up for grabs in the for sale section.

Scotty Mac
SA, 1904 posts
1 Oct 2019 12:30PM
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That's a bit random Rob!

Piros
QLD, 5570 posts
1 Oct 2019 1:08PM
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I've got both the 90 & 100 , I'm only proning now & just not using the 100 the 90 is all I need. The two wings are basically identical except the 100 is obviously 50mm wider in the tips only each side. So they are really similar no point in having both. If I was still Sup Surf Foiling I'd keep the 100 but I'm not just 100% on the prone. They are so hard to get and in such high demand , it's hard to justify to keep it and not be using it , better to let someone else froth on it.

Camarillo
202 posts
1 Oct 2019 12:15PM
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Piros said..
I've got both the 90 & 100 , I'm only proning now & just not using the 100 the 90 is all I need. The two wings are basically identical except the 100 is obviously 50mm wider in the tips only each side. So they are really similar no point in having both. If I was still Sup Surf Foiling I'd keep the 100 but I'm not just 100% on the prone. They are so hard to get and in such high demand , it's hard to justify to keep it and not be using it , better to let someone else froth on it.


And if you would only be supping?
Get the 100 and not the 90?

Piros
QLD, 5570 posts
1 Oct 2019 2:39PM
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For 80-85kg +riders 100% , lighter guys will get away with 900 , remember it's only 1277cm2 the 100 is 1388cm2 that's why I like the 90 so much on the prone.

Camarillo
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1 Oct 2019 1:21PM
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For 80-85kg +riders 100% , lighter guys will get away with 900 , remember it's only 1277cm2 the 100 is 1388cm2 that's why I like the 90 so much on the prone.


That is a very small difference , only 111 cm2 !
The S820 , my smallest foil, is 1528cm2, 140cm2 bigger than the S1000.

I suppose the S820 is more easygoing and turns better and is easier to pop up on a mini wave??
And the S1000 is faster and pumps better?

Piros
QLD, 5570 posts
1 Oct 2019 5:17PM
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Nothing else in the Axis range has the speed and pump ability of the 90 or 100. The 820 is just slower and doesn't turn better . Once you ride any of the new high aspect wings you won't go back to your old wings . The 75 is their best surf wing and best turning wing plus pretty fast but doesn't have the pump of the 90 or 100.

Don't get mislead by the lack of cm2 in these wings. It's the reduction in surface area and the thinner narrower design that makes these wings so fast and extra lift , which means you'll glide through dead sections of water compared to the fatter thicker and bigger low aspect wings. Speed is king it just makes everything easier and way more fun.

flkiter
6 posts
2 Oct 2019 11:17AM
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I've replaced my 102 with the 100 for sup foil and wing riding. I can catch the same super small bumps as the 102 but the long glide lets me get 2 and 3 for ones with less work. On the wing, way less drag so less pull of the wing on my hands so more time riding. My102 is now being used to teach my friends. I highly recommend getting one, you will not regret it. Paddles faster, can drop in the wave from behind, blasts past the white wash. Haven't found its limit big or small.

paul.j
QLD, 2875 posts
2 Oct 2019 2:05PM
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Just my 2 cents on all of this and to also throw the Takuma in the mix as its one i have been riding and comparing to the likes of the Axis 900.

I have ridden the 900 quite a bit also i down wind a lot with Ben here who uses the 900 and on the foiling side of things we are pretty even. For me i hate the 900 in the surf i feel its turns are average at best, if you are getting this wing for surfing then it works but there are far better out there. It does pump around nice and easy to link waves if you hold your speed the real down side is once you drop below a certain speed it drops way to easy. On the down wind side its not the easiest wing to get up but once up it is quite nice and can hold some good speed.
Now comparing to the Takuma i ride which and for this comparison i will compare it to the 1600 which surfs 100 times better, the turns you can do on the Takuma you would blow the wing out on the 900. Pumping around is pretty similar but for me the big difference is the low speed the Takuma can also do and i have by far my longest continuous linking wave session on this wing. For Down wind it gets up far easier than the 900 and top speed is pretty close to the 900 with maybe the Takuma a little quicker. I could also compare it to the 1300 wing but this wing is way quicker than the 900 and surfs way tighter so kind of thinking the 1600 and 900 are the ones that are best to compare.

Build quality Axis are solid and do a great job, Takuma i ride is the carbon mast which is nice and it all works, IMO the Takuma wings are some of the very best on the market right now and for a set up that will do it all they have it over most of the others, they still have a few small issues but if comparing wings TAkuma kills it

Gofoil i have raced against Austin Kalama and their new wing looked good, pretty sure he was on the 180 and we were pretty much dead even for 12km of the 12.5km race, in the world of racing though all the production wings are to slow still but i am sure this will change over some time. Can't say much more than this as i would need to ride them more to make a fair comment.

Clamsmasha
WA, 106 posts
2 Oct 2019 1:51PM
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The turns on the 90-100cm span HA wings can be a bit wide (like any wide wing) , but look at the smaller GL sizes rolling out now..140, 100 etc. they seem to be lightning fast and very nimble.

If if I had 900 I would cut 10cm off the tips and patch it up. It would set the water on fire.

DWF
129 posts
2 Oct 2019 7:01PM
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The Takuma wings sound nice.

But until someone matches the Axis mast in stiffness, I'll stay in the Axis camp.

I don't think cutting the tips on the 900 would be good. It needs more cord to compensate.

FoilColorado
44 posts
2 Oct 2019 9:06PM
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Piros - the NP XL wing is more HA than the regular large, yes?

Piros
QLD, 5570 posts
3 Oct 2019 3:53AM
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Yes it is but not to the extent of the Axis ,it's the same width as the 100 but still much deeper cord 1964cm2 compared to the Axis 1388 cm2 . It has a lot more bottom end lift though but not the speed . It's great for getting up and going for DW and wingding but more compared to the Axis 1020 at 2051cm2

toppleover
QLD, 1559 posts
9 Oct 2019 4:30PM
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Pic of my mate JT's new HS1550 next to my 900



frenchfoiler
37 posts
9 Oct 2019 2:54PM
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What are the dimensions of the GL 180, 210, 240 ?

kobo
NSW, 9 posts
9 Oct 2019 5:00PM
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Hey toppleover,
Any comparisons between the Axis 900 &Armstrong 1550 ? Top speed, bottom speed, turning ability etc

toppleover
QLD, 1559 posts
9 Oct 2019 5:22PM
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Hey toppleover,
Any comparisons between the Axis 900 &Armstrong 1550 ? Top speed, bottom speed, turning ability etc


Not yet mate but hopefully soon.

frenchfoiler
37 posts
Wednesday , 16 Oct 2019 4:11AM
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Anybody to give us a report between Axis 1000 vs Gofoil GL180 for vs Signature 210 ? Those three seems to be pretty close.

Piros
QLD, 5570 posts
Wednesday , 16 Oct 2019 10:23AM
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What are the dimensions of the GL 180, 210, 240 ?



This just drives me insane , GoFoil has this information NO WHERE and the 180 means nothing it's basically same size as Signature 210.
I got some wings measured this is pretty close:-

GL180 - 960mm wide x 163mm cord

GL210 - 960mm wide x 190mm cord

GL240- 1066mm wide x 215mm cord

Piros
QLD, 5570 posts
Wednesday , 16 Oct 2019 10:30AM
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frenchfoiler said..
Anybody to give us a report between Axis 1000 vs Gofoil GL180 for vs Signature 210 ? Those three seems to be pretty close.






You can pretty well throw a blanket over the 3 but in a nut shell the Axis is the better turning foil but not quiet as fast. The GL is basically same as the 210 with slightly turn down tips. If you were purely going to downwind probably the Signature with the GL close second , if you want it more for waves then downwind go the Axis. However Axis has dropped the new 101 which looks absolutely insane and looks to be the new king of the Down & Foil wing wings.

Check it out here ;- www.instagram.com/p/B3njbbwHTiI/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Also the new Axis Carbon mast are just about to drop , they look sick plus they have completely re machined the fuselage making them stronger and lighter.

Scotty Mac
SA, 1904 posts
Wednesday , 16 Oct 2019 11:38AM
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I have used the axis 900 and 1000 and the GL180 all sup surfing and the GL180 prone. They surf pretty similar but found the 900 better to surfs than the 1000. The longer chord gives the GL180 a little more lift at lower speeds where the 900 and 1000 stalls a bit more. I surf the GL180 all time now (sup and prone) and don't find any negatives in terms of HA turning vs the old wings, just way more pump and speed but would not suggest they are good for learning. Havent used signature. Prefer the overall go foil carbon mast, build and total weight a little better feel than the axis but can't agrue they are popular.

Clamsmasha
WA, 106 posts
Wednesday , 16 Oct 2019 12:41PM
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Piros said..

frenchfoiler said..
Anybody to give us a report between Axis 1000 vs Gofoil GL180 for vs Signature 210 ? Those three seems to be pretty close.







You can pretty well throw a blanket over the 3 but in a nut shell the Axis is the better turning foil but not quiet as fast. The GL is basically same as the 210 with slightly turn down tips. If you were purely going to downwind probably the Signature with the GL close second , if you want it more for waves then downwind go the Axis. However Axis has dropped the new 101 which looks absolutely insane and looks to be the new king of the Down & Foil wing wings.

Check it out here ;- www.instagram.com/p/B3njbbwHTiI/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Also the new Axis Carbon mast are just about to drop , they look sick plus they have completely re machined the fuselage making them stronger and lighter.


Pretty sure the wing in that clip is a proto.

sozz
19 posts
Wednesday , 16 Oct 2019 1:35PM
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Piros said..

frenchfoiler said..
What are the dimensions of the GL 180, 210, 240 ?




This just drives me insane , GoFoil has this information NO WHERE and the 180 means nothing it's basically same size as Signature 210.
I got some wings measured this is pretty close:-

GL180 - 960mm wide x 163mm cord

GL210 - 960mm wide x 190mm cord

GL240- 1066mm wide x 215mm cord


Hey piros, if you get a chance to measure a GL140 it would be much appreciated!!

Piros
QLD, 5570 posts
Wednesday , 16 Oct 2019 3:48PM
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I don't have one but i believe it's around the IWA width . Would be nice if someone from GoFoil got on here.



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