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Is it worth it?

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Created by peguin 6 months ago, 5 Jan 2021
peguin
WA, 244 posts
5 Jan 2021 10:14AM
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Just about to buy first sup foil and just wanted to check its worth it fun and enjoyment wise. I'm a prone surfer, sup surfer and wave sailor. Looking at getting a foil setup and can learn/ play on in rolling small waves and bigger outside swell when conditions mean can't do any of the above sports. Maybe put the week's in to learn down winder or maybe but very low in interest is wingding. Flat water side of the sports has never held long interest with me.
So folk with similar backgrounds was the cost outlay worth the enjoyment or afterwards did you feel meh.

paul.j
QLD, 3121 posts
5 Jan 2021 12:29PM
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Nah it sucks on a SUP and prone is way more fun!! haha

Nah the SUP foil side is sick and just opens up so many other doors to fill in those days that prone might be no good. The down wind side has some challenges but if you are keen enough the rewards are the best in Foiling.

The wingding is just another door to more fun and its not just for the flat as this is a great step in learning other areas of foiling like Downwinding, the real bonus is just how much time you can get up on the foil and what this teaches you!!

If you have the coin just buy it all!! Just make sure you get a good board and if possible find a bigger one to learn on for a few weeks and then you should be pretty sweet to go down the right size board with out having to buy two boards.

Hdip
194 posts
5 Jan 2021 11:06AM
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You have to want it. Ten sessions of straight falling. If you are ok with that then yea it's completely worth it. Turn 1 foot slop into an Indonesian boat trip.
it took me a year and a half to convince my brother. He'd say it looks fun but I have my mid length, long fish, twin fin for those waves. He finally started learning in the spring and didn't ride any other board for seven months. ??

bigmtn
47 posts
5 Jan 2021 3:34PM
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Not worth it! You'll quit all your other hobbies, lose your girl, and spend all your money... But you won't mind, because you'll be foiling all day every day.

juandesooka
422 posts
6 Jan 2021 8:15AM
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Welcome to the rabbit hole.
It will change how you look at surf, as it makes crap waves amazing. Prone foil is even better -- though SUP foil has benefits in some conditions.
Then once you are fully addicted to the sup foil rush, you'll find that winging makes more sense. Because it is simply adding wind to something you're already chasing -- wing is a supplement to a sup foil, for getting more and longer waves without having to paddle (and without kite lines or a mast in the way, 100% depower and flexibility to just enjoy the wave).
The biggest problem with foiling now....there are pretty much no off-days any more. Any wave size and any wind from about 8kts up, I am able to ride something. Which can mess up the rest of your life if you aren't careful!



crashflow
32 posts
7 Jan 2021 5:38AM
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All of the above. Basically there are no conditions that I can't have fun in somehow with foiling prone, sup and wing except dead calm flat and no wind, and even then I can paddle around and work on my stroke.

You know that feeling you get when you are stuck doing something that you can't get out of and you KNOW that there's head high glass (or more often here just anything surf-able) and it has been blown out or dead flat for like a week or two? That makes you yell-at-the-wife-kick-the-dog insane and pissed off?

I don't get that any more cause there's always later today or tomorrow. I can't tell you how much my life has improved even in the middle of this sh!tshow.

airsail
QLD, 673 posts
7 Jan 2021 9:58AM
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If you can windsurf, you can wingding, very similar controls. Now you say you have little interest in wingding, but it is a great stepping stone to sup and prone foil. Think how much time you can spend on a wave to lean to foil, seconds really, now with a wing you can find some nice flat water, use the power of the wing to get you going, then spend hours learning to foil. Your progression will be much faster then flog the wing when not needed anymore.

Jeffs256
NSW, 56 posts
7 Jan 2021 11:50AM
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I'm guessing if you're on this forum already - you've already got foil brain so you know the answer. Just enjoy the retail therapy of deciding on the gear you need. Like PaulJ says - get on the coin!

peguin
WA, 244 posts
11 Jan 2021 9:24AM
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Cheers for all your input. Very appreciated.
For the past 4 days been out in the waves surrounded by foilers of all kind. First day it was prone guys who made it look amazing. Where I was out the back and having to wait for the big sets to get a ride they were popping up on any crest of white water. Also helped to make it look good was they were in bikini or had 6pk so just a per media.
Later in the day at different spot sup foiler out with me. I'm on sup. Waves were waist to head and he wasn't getting take off any earlier than me just he got longer rides. However it was a very passive ride compared to my Max turn slash style. He was older and had a keg so not looking like media.
Few days later winds kicked in and wingdings out in waves. I'm windsurfing and only benefit I saw was going down the line and just surf. But again too passive for me.
So I'll think for now I'll keep the coins and ponder some more. Or maybe get the 6pk and go prone. Going to be a lot work for the 6pk.
Cheers for input.

Can555
105 posts
21 Jan 2021 11:46PM
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peguin said..
Cheers for all your input. Very appreciated.
For the past 4 days been out in the waves surrounded by foilers of all kind. First day it was prone guys who made it look amazing. Where I was out the back and having to wait for the big sets to get a ride they were popping up on any crest of white water. Also helped to make it look good was they were in bikini or had 6pk so just a per media.
Later in the day at different spot sup foiler out with me. I'm on sup. Waves were waist to head and he wasn't getting take off any earlier than me just he got longer rides. However it was a very passive ride compared to my Max turn slash style. He was older and had a keg so not looking like media.
Few days later winds kicked in and wingdings out in waves. I'm windsurfing and only benefit I saw was going down the line and just surf. But again too passive for me.
So I'll think for now I'll keep the coins and ponder some more. Or maybe get the 6pk and go prone. Going to be a lot work for the 6pk.
Cheers for input.


The "passive ride" optics of the SUP foiler vs the max turn/slash/bash surfing style (even on SUP) is the thing that delayed my getting into foiling. Turns out there's enough going on under water with the foil that even going straight lights up the brain in the same way that a reasonable carve on a SUP does. Once you start carving the foil, your brain simply melts. I haven't ridden any slashy/bashy gear in months; only foil. I've actually felt guilty not riding my kite, windsurfing and SUP boards. It feels like I've been cheating somehow. Foil brain is real.

Jethrow
NSW, 1014 posts
22 Jan 2021 10:12AM
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Foil Brain is real! Luv it Can

Gorgo
VIC, 4650 posts
22 Jan 2021 11:05AM
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Seems to me there's a tangible factor in terms of how many sessions you're going to get by adding a foil to the quiver, and an emotional factor of how much more enjoyment you're going to get from those foiling sessions.

You don't need a spreadsheet (although I do have one ). You just need to spend some time daydreaming and visualising what you think the end result is then go out and make it happen.

Just be warned, some foiling days will end in tears. The beginning days are fine, you expect to be a kook. It's those days a little down the track where you think you've got it wired, but everything goes wrong for no apparent reason. Those days suck.

tightlines
WA, 3377 posts
22 Jan 2021 8:39AM
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I love the way Peguin asks if it is worth it - most of the replies are frothing on how much they enjoy it. Old mate says nuh, it looks to passive I'll save my coin.

I think it's a bit like that old saying
"Only a surfer knows the feeling"
only this time it's
"Only a foiler knows the feeling"

I'm just glad I'm on board, or should that be on foil.

azymuth
WA, 1390 posts
22 Jan 2021 10:40AM
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Can555 said..The "passive ride" optics of the SUP foiler vs the max turn/slash/bash surfing style (even on SUP) is the thing that delayed my getting into foiling. Turns out there's enough going on under water with the foil that even going straight lights up the brain in the same way that a reasonable carve on a SUP does. Once you start carving the foil, your brain simply melts. I haven't ridden any slashy/bashy gear in months; only foil. I've actually felt guilty not riding my kite, windsurfing and SUP boards. It feels like I've been cheating somehow. Foil brain is real.




Nailed it

hilly
WA, 6143 posts
22 Jan 2021 5:36PM
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Foiling is like doing your best ever bottom turn for the whole ride. Slash bash sup screams kook, so probably better old mate stays sup kooking

surfcowboy
120 posts
22 Jan 2021 5:51PM
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Imagine you're 7 years old and see a couple having sex. "I'm never doing that!! It looks so weird!"

Then imagine 14 years later seeing a couple having sex.

This is foiling before and after doing it.

IanInca
142 posts
23 Jan 2021 5:26AM
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surfcowboy said..
Imagine you're 7 years old and see a couple having sex. "I'm never doing that!! It looks so weird!"

Then imagine 14 years later seeing a couple having sex.

This is foiling before and after doing it.


Love that Surfcowboy..!! Brilliant..

It's funny I was reluctant to jump on a foil. In the end curiosity and the Wingding got the better of me as it seemed a slightly easier way to get into foiling. After a few sessions I was loving it but said "yeah love this but I won't sup foil, I'll keep my sup for surfing". Fast forward 6 months and winging has been 100% of my water time. I've placed an order for a sup foil board to surf. I've sold all bar 1 sup surf boards and can't wait to start trying to sup foil. Without sounding like a wan*er its a very Zen like experience being on the foil. It will be interesting to learn sup foil as I'm pretty competent on foil but paddling for waves on a small board could be interesting..

drlazone
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23 Jan 2021 2:18PM
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surfcowboy said..
Imagine you're 7 years old and see a couple having sex. "I'm never doing that!! It looks so weird!"

Then imagine 14 years later seeing a couple having sex.

This is foiling before and after doing it.


Stealing this to explain to people.
Facking brilliant!

peguin
WA, 244 posts
24 Jan 2021 8:43AM
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Love the 7yr sex comment..
When I asked the question originally, I'd only really seen foilers on promo vids looking amazing. Since then I've now been around foilers on 3 occasions and apart from the prone foilers nothing has looked like the promo vids. On river yesterday practising light wind freestyle stuff and there was a gaggle of wingding foilers. Nah. Looked slow, just back and forth and lots of dry humping pumping action. Nothing like videos and nothing like the froth being described.
Maybe I'm being around beginners or kook foilers. If so where do the good foilers hangout?

peguin
WA, 244 posts
24 Jan 2021 8:53AM
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hilly said..
Foiling is like doing your best ever bottom turn for the whole ride. Slash bash sup screams kook, so probably better old mate stays sup kooking


Now I'm understanding it... you need to be one of those cottleslow sup'ers who surf 90deg to wave back to the beach, then on a foil you get to feel what a bottom turn is finally like whist still surfing 90deg to wave.. this is why it looks so passive to me. I wasn't understanding the feeling.

hilly
WA, 6143 posts
24 Jan 2021 10:28AM
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peguin said..


hilly said..
Foiling is like doing your best ever bottom turn for the whole ride. Slash bash sup screams kook, so probably better old mate stays sup kooking




Now I'm understanding it... you need to be one of those cottleslow sup'ers who surf 90deg to wave back to the beach, then on a foil you get to feel what a bottom turn is finally like whist still surfing 90deg to wave.. this is why it looks so passive to me. I wasn't understanding the feeling.



Ok share a vid of your bash and crash. This is me when I supped Cott last

peguin
WA, 244 posts
24 Jan 2021 12:40PM
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hilly said..

peguin said..



hilly said..
Foiling is like doing your best ever bottom turn for the whole ride. Slash bash sup screams kook, so probably better old mate stays sup kooking





Now I'm understanding it... you need to be one of those cottleslow sup'ers who surf 90deg to wave back to the beach, then on a foil you get to feel what a bottom turn is finally like whist still surfing 90deg to wave.. this is why it looks so passive to me. I wasn't understanding the feeling.




Ok share a vid of your bash and crash. This is me when I supped Cott last


Oh dear, my ego has been so bruised...
If you can't receive a piss take back, don't give it out in the first place.

peguin
WA, 244 posts
24 Jan 2021 12:40PM
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hilly said..

peguin said..



hilly said..
Foiling is like doing your best ever bottom turn for the whole ride. Slash bash sup screams kook, so probably better old mate stays sup kooking





Now I'm understanding it... you need to be one of those cottleslow sup'ers who surf 90deg to wave back to the beach, then on a foil you get to feel what a bottom turn is finally like whist still surfing 90deg to wave.. this is why it looks so passive to me. I wasn't understanding the feeling.




Ok share a vid of your bash and crash. This is me when I supped Cott last


Oh dear, my ego has been so bruised...
If you can't receive a piss take back, don't give it out in the first place.

hilly
WA, 6143 posts
24 Jan 2021 1:27PM
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Not bruised you just come across as a troll. the best thing about foiling is it is all new and the people are all positive wanting to help out. Crew down here are legendary and so supportive. Reminds me of windsurfing in 80s and kiting in the 00s. Do not miss the surf self obsessed crew. I was serious, not a piss take, would love to see some good smash and bash if you have some.

peguin
WA, 244 posts
24 Jan 2021 5:55PM
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Hillys. I was standing in sup shop freo cash ready to buy foil and sup setup after watching media stuff. Thought I'd ask on here first and got good feedback. Then i took a trip up north and first time surfed and sailed right next to foilers. I'm understanding foiling takes time to learn but I'm not seeing what is being described yet. Only 2 prone guys at sunset made it look amazing and were picking up on just the hint of a wave so real benefit and they were carving too. The sup and wingding I have seen so far actually on the water have not lived up to what I'm seeing on media and that was what I was worried about before I lay out $5k. I do remember the owner of starboard forward looping one of their huge learner windsurf boards as promo. Very unrealistic for normal people. Also I made clear in my first post in not a flat water person. It looks passive on the wave but as mentioned above is all happening under water and feeling it. So no trolling.
You made a personnel comment on me calling me a bash and crash kook. I took it as a pisstake so replied in kind. Then you've gone for dick swing now and calling me a troll.
So show me that community spirt instead of the kook & troll comments and big dick wave comparisons and meet me for a friendly coffee to discuss foiling.I live around the corner from your work if your still at duncraig.

goggo
NSW, 140 posts
24 Jan 2021 9:49PM
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Bit more aloha in order.
When learning new skills, regression is part of life.
Lately I have been having hero sessions followed by zero sessions.
Cast your mind back to learning sup in waves, friends who got keen after I showed them how much fun could be had, practiced in secret before going public.
Just go and live aloha and don't run anyone over (Raglan surf report, that's some funny but real ****).

hilly
WA, 6143 posts
24 Jan 2021 8:06PM
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Hillys. I was standing in sup shop freo cash ready to buy foil and sup setup after watching media stuff. Thought I'd ask on here first and got good feedback. Then i took a trip up north and first time surfed and sailed right next to foilers. I'm understanding foiling takes time to learn but I'm not seeing what is being described yet. Only 2 prone guys at sunset made it look amazing and were picking up on just the hint of a wave so real benefit and they were carving too. The sup and wingding I have seen so far actually on the water have not lived up to what I'm seeing on media and that was what I was worried about before I lay out $5k. I do remember the owner of starboard forward looping one of their huge learner windsurf boards as promo. Very unrealistic for normal people. Also I made clear in my first post in not a flat water person. It looks passive on the wave but as mentioned above is all happening under water and feeling it. So no trolling.
You made a personnel comment on me calling me a bash and crash kook. I took it as a pisstake so replied in kind. Then you've gone for dick swing now and calling me a troll.
So show me that community spirt instead of the kook & troll comments and big dick wave comparisons and meet me for a friendly coffee to discuss foiling.I live around the corner from your work if your still at duncraig.


Happy to have a chat, down at Margs now. Boaties carpark most arvos come and feel the stoke there everyday. Over and out.

eppo
WA, 8146 posts
24 Jan 2021 8:26PM
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peguin said..
Hillys. I was standing in sup shop freo cash ready to buy foil and sup setup after watching media stuff. Thought I'd ask on here first and got good feedback. Then i took a trip up north and first time surfed and sailed right next to foilers. I'm understanding foiling takes time to learn but I'm not seeing what is being described yet. Only 2 prone guys at sunset made it look amazing and were picking up on just the hint of a wave so real benefit and they were carving too. The sup and wingding I have seen so far actually on the water have not lived up to what I'm seeing on media and that was what I was worried about before I lay out $5k. I do remember the owner of starboard forward looping one of their huge learner windsurf boards as promo. Very unrealistic for normal people. Also I made clear in my first post in not a flat water person. It looks passive on the wave but as mentioned above is all happening under water and feeling it. So no trolling.
You made a personnel comment on me calling me a bash and crash kook. I took it as a pisstake so replied in kind. Then you've gone for dick swing now and calling me a troll.
So show me that community spirt instead of the kook & troll comments and big dick wave comparisons and meet me for a friendly coffee to discuss foiling.I live around the corner from your work if your still at duncraig.





So you are basing your purchasing decision on what you see in the media - the pros. Then you are worried looking at average joe blows on the water don't match what you see from professionals promoting products.

How many average joe blows throw down what the pros do in any water sport?
was one of the prone foilers at sunsets a young bloke? Watched him rip margs main break to pieces on a prone board / wing and then do huge jumps on the way out. But he's a water baby through and through with more time to be in the water than anyone I know.


So today my son and I proned in the morning whilst a jet ski towed us at intervals into waves. Then this arvo we winged a good wave for a couple of hours. My son sink starts a tiny 4.0 prone board and was using the wing to get on a wave then riding and pumping the wave for 100-200m or so connecting up swell lines in between sections. It was good to watch I suppose. Give him some straps and he'll be throwing stuff down and he's a really competent freestyle unhook spider monkey. Could one day be doing those pro videos but the little prick learnt to kite at the age of 6!! He's now 13 and already better than most of us kooks

But for the rest of us ... it's just the pure fun and technical challenge of riding a foil in swell and waves (or even bashing around on the flats). The speed, the glide, the massively long rides, and adaptability to differing conditions. It makes surfboard kiting, TT riding, wind surfing etc feel agricultural. It turns crappy surf to into awesomeness.

Like driving a tractor then getting in a sports car.

I just question your motivations: using comparative professional promotional videos and average joe blows as a basis for your decision making.

It's just a bit weird bro.
the Stoke is real.

Get on the train and share your Stoke with us.

JakeSki
11 posts
25 Jan 2021 3:17AM
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I'm still eating a lot of crap in the waves but foiling is one of the best things that happened in a long time. Yeah wing is fun also (I do kitesurf so if it's really windy I go out with a kite and a strapless board) - it kinda turns "nah" days into "yay" days. It does take some time of getting used to, a lot of falls and a lot of "ooohhhh shiiii...." moments but it's defo worth it :)

kobo
NSW, 617 posts
25 Jan 2021 9:12AM
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Why bother talking anyone into I say ! The longer foiling stays uncrowded the better, If old mate is not sure about it ,great let him miss out. I saw a good bumper sticker that sums it up " Foiling Sucks Don't Try It "

Hdip
194 posts
25 Jan 2021 8:12AM
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There's an accomplished standup guy at one of the places I go to in the summer. He bought a full foil set up. Rode it a few times. He could get flight. But it wasn't for him. Sold the whole set up.



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