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Looking to start wing foiling

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Created by Macca1410 4 months ago, 9 Jan 2020
Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
9 Jan 2020 4:41PM
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I have only recently heard about this sport and am interested in getting involved.

I have done a bit of kiteboarding but was pretty average at it as could not get out enough due to other commitments. Hoping with Wing Foiling I can get out more often. I really like the comparative simplicity of launching compared to kiteboarding.

I am 46, 76 kgs and live in Sydney. Looking to stay on flat water at Botany Bay.

I want lots of convenience which is probably not the best set up but need it to suit my needs. Therefore, I need an inflatable SUP with a foil attachment so it can fit in the boot of the car along with the wing.

This is a package deal from Mantafoils with board, wing and foil for $2,390USD. Hoping to learn without the foil for awhile and as I progress I can add the foil.

www.mantafoils.com/e-shop/Manta-wing-mono-foil-board-special-deal-p142771014

Does anyone know anything about these products and if they are any good? Any other suggestions would be appreciated.

Do you think this would be an appropriate size board to learn on?

What shop in Sydney does anyone recommend for the best advice? Kitepower, WSS Boards?

Thanks

Brad.

goggo
NSW, 101 posts
10 Jan 2020 6:51AM
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Looks good, assume the board is carbon 110 L ? I would go for the larger foil option assume your choices are 1200 cm^2 vs 1800 cm^2. Do they ship to Australia?

gibo
ACT, 205 posts
10 Jan 2020 8:35AM
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I get all my wingdinging equipment in a Suzuki Swift (was a 7'6" board, now on a 6'7") so check whether a hard board is an option? No experience with inflatos, but flex and movement is unwanted for foiling so there will be some compremise.
Also, winging without the foil on a shortish board won't be much fun, but you can learn to foil and wing straight away with a bit of determination and patience.

Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
10 Jan 2020 8:36AM
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goggo said..
Looks good, assume the board is carbon 110 L ? I would go for the larger foil option assume your choices are 1200 cm^2 vs 1800 cm^2. Do they ship to Australia?


Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I need an inflatable board for storage and travel. There are two options as per below. 110L and 170L.
I noticed the 110L does not have fins but the 170L does. Can you learn without the foil and with no fins on the 110L or do I need fins like on the 170L to learn without the foil first? Would the 170L be way to big for my weight?

Also is it best to have foot straps in the middle of the board? I have to check if foot straps can be fitted to these boards. I think they can.

They do have a 1200 and 1800 foil option. So the 1800 is the way to go you recommend? I was thinking it would be easier to learn on that.

Website says they do international shipping so am assuming they ship to Australia.

Thanks.

110L
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Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
10 Jan 2020 9:06AM
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gibo said..
I get all my wingdinging equipment in a Suzuki Swift (was a 7'6" board, now on a 6'7") so check whether a hard board is an option? No experience with inflatos, but flex and movement is unwanted for foiling so there will be some compremise.
Also, winging without the foil on a shortish board won't be much fun, but you can learn to foil and wing straight away with a bit of determination and patience.


Thanks for the advise. I am going to go down to WSS Boards and Kitepower tomorrow to have a look at the options. See how that turns out but I may end up with a non inflatable board. Just cant wait to get some gear and get started before the summer is gone.

Appreciate the input.

gibo
ACT, 205 posts
10 Jan 2020 10:26AM
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Macca1410 said..

gibo said..
I get all my wingdinging equipment in a Suzuki Swift (was a 7'6" board, now on a 6'7") so check whether a hard board is an option? No experience with inflatos, but flex and movement is unwanted for foiling so there will be some compremise.
Also, winging without the foil on a shortish board won't be much fun, but you can learn to foil and wing straight away with a bit of determination and patience.



Thanks for the advise. I am going to go down to WSS Boards and Kitepower tomorrow to have a look at the options. See how that turns out but I may end up with a non inflatable board. Just cant wait to get some gear and get started before the summer is gone.

Appreciate the input.

Specs on the manta boards:
The 72 liter (4.9'x19.6") at 4.5kg.
Probably too small (size and Lt) to learn on.

The 110 liter (5'x27") at 9kg.
Maybe, but it's still a very short board to learn on, and it's a bit heavy.

The 170 litre (8'x30") and 11kg
Big and heavy for windwingthing.

robbo1111
NSW, 512 posts
10 Jan 2020 11:07AM
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There's a demo day on at Kyeemagh today (Friday 10th)

Piros
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10 Jan 2020 10:16AM
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There are a few companies work on an inflatable now , the Manta rig has been around for awhile with mixed reviews . I personally think something much better will be out soon but yes it will do the job , for me personally it's just too much of a compromise to go inflatable with whats on offer right now.

Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
10 Jan 2020 1:17PM
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There's a demo day on at Kyeemagh today (Friday 10th)


I know. I heard about it and it has been annoying me all day as at work. conditions look good as well.

Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
10 Jan 2020 1:27PM
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Piros said..
There are a few companies work on an inflatable now , the Manta rig has been around for awhile with mixed reviews . I personally think something much better will be out soon but yes it will do the job , for me personally it's just too much of a compromise to go inflatable with whats on offer right now.


Thanks for the input. Totally see where you are coming from. However on flat water and as a beginner I am not sure I will be able to tell the difference too much. As I progress will no doubt want a non inflatable board.

I am now looking at the f-one Rocket Air Sup. Think it looks pretty good. I have inquired about price etc and just waiting on a response.

www.f-one.world/product/rocket-air-sup/

paul.j
QLD, 2969 posts
10 Jan 2020 12:58PM
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The 110 liter (5'x27") at 9kg.
Maybe, but it's still a very short board to learn on, and it's a bit heavy.

The 170 litre (8'x30") and 11kg
Big and heavy for windwingthing.


A bit heavy!! Bloody hell I think they are smuggling bricks inside those boards at those weights!!

Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
10 Jan 2020 4:10PM
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Thanks. Looks like a good deal. Will look into it further over the weekend.

Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
10 Jan 2020 7:16PM
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Been doing lots of research and now think I will get a normal board, not an inflatable. Wanted inflatable for boot of car so could bring kids in car with me but have found a suitable roof rack for my car, the sea sucker looks good for boards. So for a beginner are these two options good for a board?

Naish Hover 110L 6"

Slingshot Outwit 120L 6"6'

I am 76 kgs

Any other recommendations?

Also for the wing I am thinking the duotone with the batten might be better for a beginner. Do you agree or think that or the loops to hold onto are just as good? Thanks guys really appreciate any input.

hilly
WA, 5260 posts
10 Jan 2020 4:54PM
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Macca1410 said..
Been doing lots of research and now think I will get a normal board, not an inflatable. Wanted inflatable for boot of car so could bring kids in car with me but have found a suitable roof rack for my car, the sea sucker looks good for boards. So for a beginner are these two options good for a board?

Naish Hover 110L 6"

Slingshot Outwit 120L 6"6'

I am 76 kgs

Any other recommendations?

Also for the wing I am thinking the duotone with the batten might be better for a beginner. Do you agree or think that or the loops to hold onto are just as good? Thanks guys really appreciate any input.


Duotone is really hard to control when not in your hand. I recommend ozone or f-one. Small pack up no boom. either board looks good.

Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
10 Jan 2020 8:17PM
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hilly said..

Macca1410 said..
Been doing lots of research and now think I will get a normal board, not an inflatable. Wanted inflatable for boot of car so could bring kids in car with me but have found a suitable roof rack for my car, the sea sucker looks good for boards. So for a beginner are these two options good for a board?

Naish Hover 110L 6"

Slingshot Outwit 120L 6"6'

I am 76 kgs

Any other recommendations?

Also for the wing I am thinking the duotone with the batten might be better for a beginner. Do you agree or think that or the loops to hold onto are just as good? Thanks guys really appreciate any input.



Duotone is really hard to control when not in your hand. I recommend ozone or f-one. Small pack up no boom. either board looks good.


Thanks mate really good to know. Will look into ozone and f-one wings. Thinking will do Naish board. Can't wait.

galin
WA, 1 posts
10 Jan 2020 8:35PM
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Macca1410 said..
Been doing lots of research and now think I will get a normal board, not an inflatable. Wanted inflatable for boot of car so could bring kids in car with me but have found a suitable roof rack for my car, the sea sucker looks good for boards. So for a beginner are these two options good for a board?

Naish Hover 110L 6"

Slingshot Outwit 120L 6"6'

I am 76 kgs

Any other recommendations?

Also for the wing I am thinking the duotone with the batten might be better for a beginner. Do you agree or think that or the loops to hold onto are just as good? Thanks guys really appreciate any input.


I am about to start my foil journey too and have the same dilemma regarding inflatable board. In the same way I will most probably go for a hard board, following the rule for beginners "the weight in litters + 40", so in the 130-140 L range for my 95 kg. Hope it will work for me with the foil.

Whatever, let me contribute to your topic with this idea for DIY car roof rack - the guy in this video states there are no problems whatsoever with highway speeds. Some more, it costs next to nothing compared to anything else and probably makes the decision for a hard board a bit easier:

?list=PLhOk49KjGAzoMlxD2fDxuRuA-HGhLTO0N

baldy123
WA, 61 posts
11 Jan 2020 6:46AM
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I've had a Naish 4m wingsurfer for 6months now. It's a great wing IMO. Light, strong and packs down super small (weighs 2.2kg). The Ozone WASP and f-one swing look good as well, but I haven't tried them.

My current winging board is a 6'4" 110 litre Sunova DW.
The Naish hover 6' would go great as well, just look at all the videos posted by JB from Naish Australia.

The proven Hydrofoils that work are Axis, Naish, Takuma, NP in aluminium or Gofoil and Armstrong in full carbon.

Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
11 Jan 2020 1:10PM
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galin said..

Macca1410 said..
Been doing lots of research and now think I will get a normal board, not an inflatable. Wanted inflatable for boot of car so could bring kids in car with me but have found a suitable roof rack for my car, the sea sucker looks good for boards. So for a beginner are these two options good for a board?

Naish Hover 110L 6"

Slingshot Outwit 120L 6"6'

I am 76 kgs

Any other recommendations?

Also for the wing I am thinking the duotone with the batten might be better for a beginner. Do you agree or think that or the loops to hold onto are just as good? Thanks guys really appreciate any input.



I am about to start my foil journey too and have the same dilemma regarding inflatable board. In the same way I will most probably go for a hard board, following the rule for beginners "the weight in litters + 40", so in the 130-140 L range for my 95 kg. Hope it will work for me with the foil.

Whatever, let me contribute to your topic with this idea for DIY car roof rack - the guy in this video states there are no problems whatsoever with highway speeds. Some more, it costs next to nothing compared to anything else and probably makes the decision for a hard board a bit easier:

?list=PLhOk49KjGAzoMlxD2fDxuRuA-HGhLTO0N


Thanks mate. Welcome to the thread hope you get out there soon. That roof rack idea is great I am going to give it a go.

Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
11 Jan 2020 1:13PM
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baldy123 said..
I've had a Naish 4m wingsurfer for 6months now. It's a great wing IMO. Light, strong and packs down super small (weighs 2.2kg). The Ozone WASP and f-one swing look good as well, but I haven't tried them.

My current winging board is a 6'4" 110 litre Sunova DW.
The Naish hover 6' would go great as well, just look at all the videos posted by JB from Naish Australia.

The proven Hydrofoils that work are Axis, Naish, Takuma, NP in aluminium or Gofoil and Armstrong in full carbon.


Good feedback. Just went to Kitepower and bought a 4m Ozone Wasp. Looks like a good wing and packs down small as well. Now for a board. Think the Naish Hover will be the board for me. Off to spend more money now.

take care y'all.

Alysum
NSW, 459 posts
13 Jan 2020 11:43PM
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Did you end up with the Naish? Curious to know which size/volume.

robbo1111
NSW, 512 posts
14 Jan 2020 6:55AM
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I went to the demo day and sampled both the Naish and Duotone wings. Firstly thanks to WSS for putting it on, no shortage of gear to sample.
My opinion as a complete novice is that the Naish is more stable when flying it one-handed, it justs sits there waiting for your input. With the Duotone I actually preferred the boom setup and really liked the way it flew as I was moving along, however as soon as you go one-handed it does tend to move around a lot. I would imagine this being a pain once you are competent and just relying on the foil and having the wing passively held in one hand.

Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
14 Jan 2020 9:10AM
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Alysum said..
Did you end up with the Naish? Curious to know which size/volume.


Going to wss tomorrow (Wednesday) to buy the Naish Hover Crossover 120L. Then heading straight down to San Souci to try it out. Low winds tomorrow but I don't care just want to have a go. Can't wait.

Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
14 Jan 2020 9:13AM
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robbo1111 said..
I went to the demo day and sampled both the Naish and Duotone wings. Firstly thanks to WSS for putting it on, no shortage of gear to sample.
My opinion as a complete novice is that the Naish is more stable when flying it one-handed, it justs sits there waiting for your input. With the Duotone I actually preferred the boom setup and really liked the way it flew as I was moving along, however as soon as you go one-handed it does tend to move around a lot. I would imagine this being a pain once you are competent and just relying on the foil and having the wing passively held in one hand.


Excellent feedback. Thanks, makes me happy I got the ozone which seems pretty similar to the Naish. Playing around with it at home I felt a boom might give better control. Oh well too late will find out tomorrow when I try it out.

Alysum
NSW, 459 posts
14 Jan 2020 11:35AM
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Macca1410 said..

Alysum said..
Did you end up with the Naish? Curious to know which size/volume.



Going to wss tomorrow (Wednesday) to buy the Naish Hover Crossover 120L. Then heading straight down to San Souci to try it out. Low winds tomorrow but I don't care just want to have a go. Can't wait.


Make sure you check that 120L is enough for your weight.

You also may want to checkout the Fanatic Sky SUP which has more paddling speed if you intent to wave SUP foil as well.

Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
14 Jan 2020 11:57AM
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Alysum said..

Macca1410 said..


Alysum said..
Did you end up with the Naish? Curious to know which size/volume.




Going to wss tomorrow (Wednesday) to buy the Naish Hover Crossover 120L. Then heading straight down to San Souci to try it out. Low winds tomorrow but I don't care just want to have a go. Can't wait.



Make sure you check that 120L is enough for your weight.

You also may want to checkout the Fanatic Sky SUP which has more paddling speed if you intent to wave SUP foil as well.


I weighed myself last night and am actually 70 kgs so figure 120 L should be plenty. This is just my first board to get a taste and make it as easy as possible. If I like it and improve I will upgrade to a more appropriate board for more advanced riding.

flkiter
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14 Jan 2020 12:35PM
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A smaller board like the 6' 110 hover will actually be easier to ride than the 7'4" hover, especially when you start to jibe. A long board makes it harder to foil up on cause you have less angle of pointing the foil up before hitting the tail of the board.

mikesids
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14 Jan 2020 5:49PM
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100% agree. I learned on a 7'6 and with long boards you also hit the nose a lot on the downstroke when pumping. Moving to a 6'5 was a revelation - suddenly I could pump for long sustained periods eg when sailing into a lull and trying to link up with the next puff on the water ahead. If I had my time again, knowing what I know, I would have started with something like the Hover 110 - great dims for a 70kg rider and less likely to outgrow it quickly . Boards over 7ft are basically outdated for winging I feel - while they still work , you just don't need all that length. After 6 mths winging I am seriously considering stepping down from my 6'5 to a 5'0 wing board. As are a lot of my mates who also wing. Just my two cents @Macca1410, but you really should be aware of these trends before dropping the cash on the Hover 120.

flkiter
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14 Jan 2020 9:44PM
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100% agree. I learned on a 7'6 and with long boards you also hit the nose a lot on the downstroke when pumping. Moving to a 6'5 was a revelation - suddenly I could pump for long sustained periods eg when sailing into a lull and trying to link up with the next puff on the water ahead. If I had my time again, knowing what I know, I would have started with something like the Hover 110 - great dims for a 70kg rider and less likely to outgrow it quickly . Boards over 7ft are basically outdated for winging I feel - while they still work , you just don't need all that length. After 6 mths winging I am seriously considering stepping down from my 6'5 to a 5'0 wing board. As are a lot of my mates who also wing. Just my two cents @Macca1410, but you really should be aware of these trends before dropping the cash on the Hover 120.


Mikesids,
Wait till you get on that 5' board, the 6'5" you're on will feel like a boat. I'm on a 5'1" now and it's like kite foiling. I pop up immediately and the pumping down wind even in wind swell in a bay is endless with no work from me. Rode a 6' hover a few days ago teaching a buddy and it felt massive.

For those getting into the sport, if you already can sup then you just need something to float you easily. Length isn't going to be your friend when learning to get on foil. If you're checking out a board, the less material behind the tracks, the better for popping onto foil. The less nose, the less swing weight. You're also foiling closer to the water than you would be kite foiling usually in the beginning so that long nose will be hitting swell a bunch while riding and in turns. My buddy that has minimal sup paddle skill was up on his hover 110 and able to foil in both directions after an hour of practice. So work on the kneel starts and that'll get you in and out and up wind without the foil. Plus it'll show you that you don't need a massive board to learn.

Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
15 Jan 2020 9:01AM
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Great advice all. As I am a complete novice I just want to make it as easy as possible. Why I am trying the wing is because I found kiting quite hard and ate **** heaps. I am hoping this will be a bit easier. I want to go out today without the foil for my first few sessions to get a handle on the wing. I have never foiled so am expecting there to be a steep learning curve. I am happy to start with the easiest board and then upgrade shortly if need be. What concerns me with a smaller board is being able to water start. I really want something that can float me on top of the water easily for easier starts to begin. I know I will be eating it a lot and don't want more frustration by making getting up and going again too hard.
really appreciate all the advise, I am learning heaps.

Macca1410
NSW, 38 posts
15 Jan 2020 5:51PM
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So went to WSS Boards today. Thanks heaps to the boys there for their advice. Really helpful stuff. Ended up getting the Sunova 2 in 1 foilboard eco 7'4" 111L. For me being a total beginner this seems to be a good choice. I know it is big but for a total beginner this is what I needed so not to get too frustrated and give up.
Went to Kyeemagh for a session and Dietar was down there and was really helpful and generous with his time to help me out. So a couple of hours on the water and I am still a muppet but definitely know more now than I did yesterday. Found it hard to get up on my feet to start with but found the wing much easier to handle than a kite in kitesurfing. Once on my feet the wing was heaps easier to control than when on my knees which was pleasing.

For someone like me with little water sport experience this is a great sport to start with. Even though I spent most of my time trudging back to my starting point I found it great fun and much better walking back up beach than anything else I would have been doing. Can't wait to get out again and improve, officially hooked.



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