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Popping up on the foil when its mellow

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Created by Slyde Two weeks ago, 3 Jan 2019
Slyde
19 posts
3 Jan 2019 3:02PM
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After some technique advice guys. I'm an inexperienced SUP foiler (kite foiling several years). I can get some reasonable rides on the SUP foil provided I get a decent wave section to give me enough drive to pop up on the foil. That bit of wave is also the bit that every long and shortboarder is after which is a total pain. I see videos of guys popping up on some pretty mellow shoulders away from the critical section. Theres quite a few of that type of wave at my locals and I would love to be able to foil off that sort of wave but it seems beyond me to get going on those shoulders. Is this all just down to paddle fitness or are there some other tricks? Riding Naish XL wing on Hover 120.
cheers

hilly
WA, 4438 posts
3 Jan 2019 3:26PM
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Piros
QLD, 5319 posts
3 Jan 2019 7:38PM
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It's not just paddle speed you have to help the foil up on weak waves with a push and pump as you dig with the paddle. This comes naturally later on but for now you really have to focus on it unless you a decent push from the wave. The downwind guys are the masters at it and when you surf with them they take off on the smallest rollers and you think to yourself " how the hell did he catch that " So just try and get a bit of a push and pump when you paddle for the wave , as soon as you start paddling for a wave you must be in surfer stance to do this . You can't pump and push in square stance .

Slyde
19 posts
4 Jan 2019 1:46AM
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Cheers, any comments about paddle size and tail wing size? I wondered if it might be easier with a smaller tail wing.

Piros
QLD, 5319 posts
4 Jan 2019 6:39AM
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The Naish XL with it's std rear wing is fine and all you'll need. The smaller rear wings only come into play later on for tighter turning arcs , holds better at high speed and a shorter faster pumping motion , it doesn't help you catch waves . The bigger rear is better for that and just use the paddle you are used to.

exiled
158 posts
4 Jan 2019 4:48AM
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How much do you weight?

Slyde
19 posts
4 Jan 2019 6:07AM
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73 kg

blueplanetsurf
172 posts
5 Jan 2019 5:42AM
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The goal is to engage the lift of the foil even before you lift off, which allows you to catch waves much earlier, we talk about it in this video:

Slyde
19 posts
5 Jan 2019 10:26AM
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OK, game on. Got some stuff to work on. Thanks for the advice.

Seajuice
NSW, 271 posts
10 Jan 2019 7:44PM
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Slyde mate I feel your dilemma. I am experiencing the same as you.
But, what I have noticed is that it can be different on different breaks.
The worst for me are the sucky waves that pull you hard backwards on a fairly steep wall.
Other breaks can be quite pushy. You can paddle forwards before the wave catches up to you & it doesn't take much to get up & going & if you are energetic enough to paddle hard at the right time then the board can lift, pick up speed & you will be up & flying before it breaks. But that is a very rare moment for me at this stage.
But like the others have said above. Its more about technique than speed which is learnt after some time. Just like those pro surfers who do just 2 paddles to get onto a wave. How do they do it!?
My board has a lot of nose rocker & I knew that it was going to be very, very slow on the paddle speed due to it pushing water instead of gliding over & separating water like a low rocker board. But it doesn't take much to get the nose rocker above the water surface with a foil underneath which has kind of turbo charged my board.
Another thing I have noticed as a beginner is that I tend to keep the nose of the board down as I try & catch a wave only to miss it & just after the crest of the wave passes me I lean back a little to find that the foil engages & lifts me up when its too late. So it is this I have to work on just as I feel the forward push of a rolling swell. That is to hop up as you do in a pump & point the nose up & forward maybe more than once to disengage the board from the surface of the water to be able to get an increase in speed. Easier said than done. But I plan to work on this in a good easy break. Not in a surf with other elements against me such as side & wind chop, back sucky waves & bigger than normal waves.
I have just got a medium wing to try out so I know that it will be even more difficult to get up on the fly. But hoping when going back to the large wing that I will be able to get up on the fly before the wave breaks.



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