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Pros and cons of putting a foil on a 9'2" sup

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Created by Dick Tatta > 9 months ago, 10 Apr 2021
Dick Tatta
NSW, 341 posts
10 Apr 2021 6:58AM
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I have a bit of difficulty standing on a short foil board when surf supping (it's an age thing ,66)
All good with a wing
Saw a a couple of older guys riding 8-9' sups with foils,they weren't throwing it around,just cruzing.
Unlike me they had no trouble with swell or chop.
I have a 9'2" old carbon evoke,is it worth converting.
I know ,practice and learn to balance,but I'm lazy.

LeeD
3939 posts
10 Apr 2021 6:00AM
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I'm planning to wing and windfoil my 9'6" Fly.
Should be sluggish, but at 72, that might equate to exciting.

tomooh
275 posts
10 Apr 2021 6:53AM
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Probably worth while if you are not having to spend $400 getting tracks installed and the board is not worth much anyway. I started foiling on an 8 ft 5 Takuma board and it was fine. Before I got a smaller board I considered using a 9 ft something fanatic all wave. I was going to cut the tail off about 2 ft up and bolt the foil on where it wouldn't be affected by tail rocket. At around 7 ft long it would have plenty of volume and width to be super stable and easy to paddle. If you can get something like the 140 litre naish hover ready to go it should be easy to paddle though.

LeeD
3939 posts
10 Apr 2021 9:31AM
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2 track foil box cassette is 99 bucks, US.
2 hours labor and 25 bucks resin and glass gets the job done.

colas
4986 posts
10 Apr 2021 2:57PM
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I learned to foil on a 8'9"
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Foiling/SUP-foiling--my-first-steps-

It is quite doable, if the board is light.
The pro is the paddling speed:
- you can lift off with only the board speed, so with training it is easier to take off on non-breaking waves, even if you do not have the cardio of a young man anymore
- it is a breeze to paddle back to the spot
- you can enjoy onshore days without suffering when paddling and keeping your balance

The cons is that:
- pumping will be quite limited to mere meters at the end of the ride. Basically, forget pumping.
- board reaction will be slow, you will need to anticipate more in flight, ride smoother (not necessarily a bad thing)
- it will be hard to recover from touchdowns: you will not fall, but it will be hard to take-off again.

I'd say go for it.

Be wary to put the foil forward enough. Your feet position should be the same for paddling and foiling, so the front of the foil wing should be under your feet when in parallel paddling stance. Plus the foil should be parallel to the water surface, nor pointing down by even a degree!

PS: keep one or 2 fins in the rear boxes. It will help immensely with your paddling efficiency and touchdowns recoveries.

mcrt
611 posts
11 Apr 2021 2:24AM
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++1 with what Colas said about the foil box placement and the angle too,you might have to play around with mast plate shims to counteract the rocker.

But i really like the idea of longfoiling.
I am very tempted to buy a second hand epoxy 7'2 minimal i have found (200$) and convert it to a lazy prone foiler.

Dick Tatta
NSW, 341 posts
11 Apr 2021 12:13PM
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Thank you for your input,I'll do it.

thinking about how it will go winging ?..might be fun

thanks again

clayisland
20 posts
12 Apr 2021 5:06AM
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How short are the boards you are having trouble on? Width? Volume? Your weight? What is the specific trouble, as in unstable in every direction, side to side, front to back?

I started on converted boards 8'8" and then 8'4", doable but the big problem is weight/volume distribution. A well shaped stable high volume foil board is most often going to be easier then a converted board that has volume where it doesn't need to be. My 7' foil board is more stable than my 7'10", and way easier to fly.

Seajuice
NSW, 907 posts
12 Apr 2021 8:57AM
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If your old carbon evoke is still in good condition. Keep it for SUP surfing.
If you are new to using epoxy for board repairs etc. I wouldn't bother doing the conversion. Rather get a pro to do it. But it may cost you over $200 Australian. And maybe the same if you do the conversion plus the headaches.
So maybe that money can go to buying a specific foilboard.
If it was me I wouldn't go anymore than an 8ft long board if I weighed over 85 kgs. Up to 7ft for lighter.
A good stable board can be around 32 to 33 inches wide for a person 80kgs & over.
In my view. If you get a short board as possible close to your evoke width & volume you should be right.
And don't forget the foil will add extra stability.
One of my boards is a heavy 7ft long by 31 inches wide at 115 litres for my weight of 80kgs. Heaps of stability with foil added. And its my go to board in most conditions.

Dick Tatta
NSW, 341 posts
12 Apr 2021 1:31PM
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Thx for all the imput and time taken.

A friend has just brought an S26 2450 foil,he said he knows ,where he can borrow a 7'4" hover.

His theory is that we play with the huge foil and move it to to the middle of the board to balance everything I can balance and it will be easy????

So I'll try that in the interim

Seajuice
NSW, 907 posts
12 Apr 2021 9:35PM
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Good stuff Fitzsup. Practise makes perfect.



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