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Review Gong foils (Rise, Curve, Veloce)

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Created by Taak Two weeks ago, 6 Oct 2020
Taak
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6 Oct 2020 6:08PM
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Hi all,

I have been lurking on here for quite a while and learned a lot. As information is scarce and things develop quickly I thought I would share the insights I gained on my Gong foil gear here. Hope it helps someone.

Rider: 80kgs. Winging for a year now in both waves and flat water. Many wing downwinders.
Location: Netherlands, Northsea and the bigger lakes

Gong foils I own/owned:
Rise XL
Curve L, XL
Veloce M, L, XL
Surf stab 45 cm
Veloce stab 43 cm
Kite stab 40 cm

Rise XL: about this foil I'm quite opinionated in a bad way. I don't think it has any advantages over the curve XL for people around 80kgs and lower. It just has way too much drag and lift. Which makes pumping onto the foil more difficult as it is hard to start going forward. When pumping it is hard to get your weight back above your front foot as it has too much lift. I have taught a couple of friends to wing and all preferred the Curve XL and the Veloce XL for learning. (Sold)

Curve XL: great first foil to start winging and once you progress it remains the foil with the best low-end. You can pump it onto the foil aggressive without stalling which is a big difference to the Veloce range where you need more speed. The top speed is ok but a bit too slow to keep up with the swell on the north sea. Yet perfect for easy downwinders on the bigger lakes here in the Netherlands. (Keeping it for extreme low-end and downwind with paddle)

Curve: L: great foil with, as expected, similar characteristics as the XL. I found pumping quite difficult on this foil compared to the XL and also the Veloce L and XL. I didn't own it for long as I also had the Veloce XL at the time and they overlap completely with the Veloce winning on low-end, speed and pumping. (Sold)

Veloce XL: my all-round favorite as it has a good low-end but also great speed/low drag. I found progressing with tacks a lot easier than on the Curve because you keep your speed way longer (lower drag). If you only wing on flat water I don't think there is much of a reason to go smaller in the Veloce line. Even though the Curve has a better low-end for pumping onto the foil the Veloce's low-end is way better once you are up. Because of the low drag you can go through lulls way easier as you don't lose your speed so quickly. So practically I nearly never use the Curve XL anymore as long as there are some gusts of 13 knots to get up. In bigger waves you do feel it wants to pop you out at some point. Hence, why I bought the L/M. The Veloce XL is still my favorite for wing downwinds on the lakes here. I often read that the Veloce line is harder to turn than the Curve line. Yet, I found the opposite and prefer the Veloce for turning. (Keeping it for wing and downwind paddle in more wind)

Veloce L: same characteristics as the XL. Pumps really nice and similar to the XL. Yet a lot nicer in bigger waves and downwind on the sea. Easier to control/turn/keep in the water at high speeds. Low-end for me with a 4m wing is 16knots or so. Currently this is the foil that I use the most. I have used it with the 43 Veloce stab, but it is better balanced when combined with the kite stab 40. (Keeping it, main weapon in waves and bigger wing downwind days).

Veloce M: I don't need this, but still I still bought it ;) It's fast, very fast. I do need >22knots to get going with 3m wing. Which is directly a complication as you need to be certain that it is really windy to pick this foil or keep a bigger wing in the air. Combined with the Veloce 43 stab it was not behaving well (a lot of front foot pressure). Yet with the kite stab 40 it is a lot better. I can imagine that it will be my go to foil for the really big days on the north sea (30+ knots and big swell). But so far the L suits this purpose for me as well so it is not a 'must'. (keeping it to learn/progress more).

My opinion on the stabs (@ 80kgs):
Surf stab 45 cm: balances out with the Rise XL and works ok with the Curve XL.
Veloce 43 cm: Balances out with the Curve XL and works well with the Veloce XL/L.
Kite stab 40cm: Balances out with the Veloce L and works with Veloce M (didn't try on the XL yet).

I've also gone through quite some Gong wings (the one in the air), so will write up my views on that as well.

AndyShwartz
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6 Oct 2020 8:25PM
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Taak said..
Hi all,

I have been lurking on here for quite a while and learned a lot. As information is scarce and things develop quickly I thought I would share the insights I gained on my Gong foil gear here. Hope it helps someone.

Rider: 80kgs. Winging for a year now in both waves and flat water. Many wing downwinders.
Location: Netherlands, Northsea and the bigger lakes

Gong foils I own/owned:
Rise XL
Curve L, XL
Veloce M, L, XL
Surf stab 45 cm
Veloce stab 43 cm
Kite stab 40 cm

Rise XL: about this foil I'm quite opinionated in a bad way. I don't think it has any advantages over the curve XL for people around 80kgs and lower. It just has way too much drag and lift. Which makes pumping onto the foil more difficult as it is hard to start going forward. When pumping it is hard to get your weight back above your front foot as it has too much lift. I have taught a couple of friends to wing and all preferred the Curve XL and the Veloce XL for learning. (Sold)

Curve XL: great first foil to start winging and once you progress it remains the foil with the best low-end. You can pump it onto the foil aggressive without stalling which is a big difference to the Veloce range where you need more speed. The top speed is ok but a bit too slow to keep up with the swell on the north sea. Yet perfect for easy downwinders on the bigger lakes here in the Netherlands. (Keeping it for extreme low-end and downwind with paddle)

Curve: L: great foil with, as expected, similar characteristics as the XL. I found pumping quite difficult on this foil compared to the XL and also the Veloce L and XL. I didn't own it for long as I also had the Veloce XL at the time and they overlap completely with the Veloce winning on low-end, speed and pumping. (Sold)

Veloce XL: my all-round favorite as it has a good low-end but also great speed/low drag. I found progressing with tacks a lot easier than on the Curve because you keep your speed way longer (lower drag). If you only wing on flat water I don't think there is much of a reason to go smaller in the Veloce line. Even though the Curve has a better low-end for pumping onto the foil the Veloce's low-end is way better once you are up. Because of the low drag you can go through lulls way easier as you don't lose your speed so quickly. So practically I nearly never use the Curve XL anymore as long as there are some gusts of 13 knots to get up. In bigger waves you do feel it wants to pop you out at some point. Hence, why I bought the L/M. The Veloce XL is still my favorite for wing downwinds on the lakes here. I often read that the Veloce line is harder to turn than the Curve line. Yet, I found the opposite and prefer the Veloce for turning. (Keeping it for wing and downwind paddle in more wind)

Veloce L: same characteristics as the XL. Pumps really nice and similar to the XL. Yet a lot nicer in bigger waves and downwind on the sea. Easier to control/turn/keep in the water at high speeds. Low-end for me with a 4m wing is 16knots or so. Currently this is the foil that I use the most. I have used it with the 43 Veloce stab, but it is better balanced when combined with the kite stab 40. (Keeping it, main weapon in waves and bigger wing downwind days).

Veloce M: I don't need this, but still I still bought it ;) It's fast, very fast. I do need >22knots to get going with 3m wing. Which is directly a complication as you need to be certain that it is really windy to pick this foil or keep a bigger wing in the air. Combined with the Veloce 43 stab it was not behaving well (a lot of front foot pressure). Yet with the kite stab 40 it is a lot better. I can imagine that it will be my go to foil for the really big days on the north sea (30+ knots and big swell). But so far the L suits this purpose for me as well so it is not a 'must'. (keeping it to learn/progress more).

My opinion on the stabs (@ 80kgs):
Surf stab 45 cm: balances out with the Rise XL and works ok with the Curve XL.
Veloce 43 cm: Balances out with the Curve XL and works well with the Veloce XL/L.
Kite stab 40cm: Balances out with the Veloce L and works with Veloce M (didn't try on the XL yet).

I've also gone through quite some Gong wings (the one in the air), so will write up my views on that as well.


Great breakdown. Thanks for that.

surfcowboy
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7 Oct 2020 11:05AM
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Taak, thank you.

Im 63 kg, beginner SUP foiler and Wing foiler. I have the Rise XL and the Curve M and am looking for an in between option. ( got the Curve used on a good deal.) I'll add what I know too.

Rise XL: I agree. If you are smaller this is not the wing to learn on. It's been ok for winging for me but I suspect the Curve XL would be better and cover more conditions. For surfing the Rise XL is too much wing in all but the smallest surf. Anything over knee high launched me. I'm anxious to try it now that I'm a bit more experienced but I can't see using it for more than early days for smaller riders, if at all. Maybe the L for smaller beginners in surf. But I will say, for bigger guys learning, this wing makes it easy. Slow, stable, perfect to learn on.

Curve M: This wing is half the area of the Rise XL and is probably really nice in larger waves in the surf. It doesn't glide much for me in waves under say waist high but when there's a push it is nice. I may also just need to play with a tail and mast position. It really helped me see how a smaller foil can be kept in the water no matter what and helped me learn to take bigger drops without being scared of a breach. This wing, with the kite tail is what the small Gong Pro riders were/are on from what I hear. I'm keeping this for bigger days and behind a boat for sure.

Ive only got the 45 cm surf tail so I'm definitely adding the 43 cm Veloce and a 40 cm surf (or kite? Advice?) as well as making a few as I get time.

Now, here's where I need help. I'm maybe 4 months into foil surfing. Can go straight in control and am starting to turn. Mostly surf knee to waist waves, so I need a bit more than the M to pump and have fun I think.

On the wing I'm just getting on foil but the progression seems fast. My local winds are not high so assume I'll be in 10-20 knots with 15 a good average. I assume I'll use my big wind wing wing to downwind SUP foil too.

Can i I find one wing to split the difference in size?

is that a Curve L or XL? Or do I go straight to Veloce, and then L or XL there?

I'm ok with ending up with a 3 wing quiver so if I sell the Rise and make my big wind wing the Veloce or Curve XL, what's my day to day small surf wing that I can use as a high wind wing?

Any and all thoughts are welcome as are messages from anyone selling L or XL Curves.

Taak
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7 Oct 2020 4:57PM
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surfcowboy said..
Taak, thank you.

Im 63 kg, beginner SUP foiler and Wing foiler. I have the Rise XL and the Curve M and am looking for an in between option. ( got the Curve used on a good deal.) I'll add what I know too.

Rise XL: I agree. If you are smaller this is not the wing to learn on. It's been ok for winging for me but I suspect the Curve XL would be better and cover more conditions. For surfing the Rise XL is too much wing in all but the smallest surf. Anything over knee high launched me. I'm anxious to try it now that I'm a bit more experienced but I can't see using it for more than early days for smaller riders, if at all. Maybe the L for smaller beginners in surf. But I will say, for bigger guys learning, this wing makes it easy. Slow, stable, perfect to learn on.

Curve M: This wing is half the area of the Rise XL and is probably really nice in larger waves in the surf. It doesn't glide much for me in waves under say waist high but when there's a push it is nice. I may also just need to play with a tail and mast position. It really helped me see how a smaller foil can be kept in the water no matter what and helped me learn to take bigger drops without being scared of a breach. This wing, with the kite tail is what the small Gong Pro riders were/are on from what I hear. I'm keeping this for bigger days and behind a boat for sure.

Ive only got the 45 cm surf tail so I'm definitely adding the 43 cm Veloce and a 40 cm surf (or kite? Advice?) as well as making a few as I get time.

Now, here's where I need help. I'm maybe 4 months into foil surfing. Can go straight in control and am starting to turn. Mostly surf knee to waist waves, so I need a bit more than the M to pump and have fun I think.

On the wing I'm just getting on foil but the progression seems fast. My local winds are not high so assume I'll be in 10-20 knots with 15 a good average. I assume I'll use my big wind wing wing to downwind SUP foil too.

Can i I find one wing to split the difference in size?

is that a Curve L or XL? Or do I go straight to Veloce, and then L or XL there?

I'm ok with ending up with a 3 wing quiver so if I sell the Rise and make my big wind wing the Veloce or Curve XL, what's my day to day small surf wing that I can use as a high wind wing?

Any and all thoughts are welcome as are messages from anyone selling L or XL Curves.


I am not very experienced sup foiling so consider my comments mainly from a wing / downwind perspective. For wining I would skip the Curve range and directly go for the Veloce. This given that you are 17kgs less than I am. Which would make the Veloce XL a perfect low-end up to mid-end wing foil (and good for small day surf). Also the Veloce XL is great for downwind.

On the stab: I would recommend the kite stab and not surf. It is roughly 50% thinner and great with the smaller Veloces.

If ending with 3 foils is ok I would recommend: Veloce XL, L and keeping your Curve M (or only the 2 Veloces). If extreme low-end is important maybe the Curve XL or Veloce XXL (didn't try) instead of the Veloce XL.

surfcowboy
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8 Oct 2020 3:42AM
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Sound advice. Thx. I think you're right on for the wing side for sure.

I'm wondering if I could surf the Veloce but as you say, I can try it in small surf and see how it goes. If I like it, I could fill in with the L. If it's too much, keep it for winging and get a Curve L til I could handle the Ha speed in surf.

Keep the input coming but this was really helpful.

Fishdude
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8 Oct 2020 8:37AM
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Great review,

Surfcowboy, I noticed that the lighter Gong team rider Byrel has been using the 40 kite stab with just about ever wing, and every size wing, Gong made. The Rise, Curve and Veloce. I'd think it may require more skill with the small kite tail, but it might be worth giving it a try with what Gong wings you have...

PrfctChaos
WA, 52 posts
8 Oct 2020 8:52AM
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Sound advice. Thx. I think you're right on for the wing side for sure.

I'm wondering if I could surf the Veloce but as you say, I can try it in small surf and see how it goes. If I like it, I could fill in with the L. If it's too much, keep it for winging and get a Curve L til I could handle the Ha speed in surf.

Keep the input coming but this was really helpful.





I've been surfing the Veloce L the last few weeks, 80 Kg. Really loving it for its speed and glide.

I think the L size is a good choice for allround surf. For me personally, I felt it went perfectly in the medium sized days, wouldn't mind adding a XL for the very small days. But since you only weigh 65Kg, I would think that the Veloce L could easily be your do it all light wind and small swell wing.

I have been using the Veloce L for lightwind kiting and it is exceptional at getting me up and flying very easily. Have even been having a few sessions on the 3m kite (sub 15 knots) which wouldn't have been possible on my fat slow Neil Pryde M or L.

surfcowboy
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8 Oct 2020 9:32AM
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Thanks Chaos. I'm really on the edge of pulling the trigger on the Veloce L. Going to talk to some buddies who are on HA wings. So far none of them ever look back.

I do want to call out to beginners that a low aspect surf wing like the Rise, properly sized, is great to learn on. The speed on any foil is already insane lol. Make it easy on yourself.

surfcowboy
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8 Oct 2020 9:39AM
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Fishdude, after seeing everyone chop these things down I'm definitely going smaller. Again I think that the big stabs are great to slow and stabilize wings from everything I've heard so good to make foils user friendly. But it seems after a pretty short time people want to loosen things up.

PrfctChaos
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8 Oct 2020 10:45AM
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surfcowboy said..
Thanks Chaos. I'm really on the edge of pulling the trigger on the Veloce L. Going to talk to some buddies who are on HA wings. So far none of them ever look back.

I do want to call out to beginners that a low aspect surf wing like the Rise, properly sized, is great to learn on. The speed on any foil is already insane lol. Make it easy on yourself.


Oh yes one last thing I wish I knew when ordering. I have the Veloce 43cm stab. It's really stable and works well in general. But would have been good to add a small kite stab to the order as well, for a looser option. To expensive to ship separately, so I'll just do some DIY stabs most likely.

surfcowboy
79 posts
11 Oct 2020 8:10PM
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Ok, Gong owners, keep posting up here. Anyone else got the new HA wings?

janoj
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Thursday , 15 Oct 2020 3:56PM
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Hi!!
I?m just to buy a gong foil and it will be my first attempt to this amazing sport.
I?m 70 kg, (no foil, no windsurf or kitesurf before), regular surfer like 15-20 years now, and thinking about buying a Hipe 5' 3''. I was convinced to buy an Allvator Rise XL, but reading this topic, do you suggest to go directly to a curve or veloce wing, even being a beginner?Thanks!!

PrfctChaos
WA, 52 posts
Friday , 16 Oct 2020 6:20AM
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Surfcowboy above rates the Rise as friendly to learn on (I havent had a chance to try one). I would say go for it. Get a rise XL and big Stabiliser to go with it. (The 70cm carbon mast is a great mast as well, for a couple of extra dollar)

BUT throw a Veloce L and a small kite Stabiliser in the basket while you are at it. Because after you get the hang of the Easier wing Im sure you will enjoy the low drag, high speed performance of the Veloce.

Couple of sessions behind a boat will save a lot of learning time.

surfcowboy
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Friday , 16 Oct 2020 11:08AM
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I'm a fan of beginner wings but you might consider the Ride L. I'm honestly not sure as it depends if you have a rolling mushy reform near you. If you have that at knee high and deep enough to foil then XL will be fun. If you only have larger or less mushy waves then you might need a slightly smaller wing.

What part of the world are you in? I maintain that buddies should buy compatible gear and swap out the beginner stuff. When my next friend wants to foil I'm having them buy the cheap mast, fuse, and plate from Gong and loaning them my big wings. Also if you try wind winging that big wing is perfect and some say you won't ever outgrow it as it lets you foil in very little wind.

But if you're in the US and can afford it, add a Curve or Veloce L for when you are better and in bigger waves. With your surfing background you will pick it up fast. Be warned, it sucks at first lol. But there's a point when you start to improve with every session. And yes, boat tow is great. Efoil is even better if you can rent one. I did 10 min on an efoil last weekend and it replaced 10 sessions in the surf I'll bet.

colas
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Friday , 16 Oct 2020 1:27PM
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Note that the answers will be different wether you plan to to foil with a Wing (where some people say you can go directly with a curve, or even maybe a veloce if you already have foiling experience), or without (where using a rise first is heavily recommended).

My feeling is that if you have no previous foiling experience, starting with a rise is the safest option, but I do not Wing. And as cowboy an Prfctchaos say, adding also a curve and/or veloce might be a good idea to save on shipping issues. And maybe a spare mast, if you plan to foil in waves, beginner mistakes can be hard on the gear.

janoj
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Tuesday , 20 Oct 2020 3:03AM
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Thank guys! Very interesting points. I live near San Sebastian in the Basque country, and my intention is to wingfoil when the wind is enough to make the waves less attractive, have fun with the pleasure of "sailing", taking mushy waves without worrying about crowds, downwind, etc.. Shopping costs are not a problem living un Europe, so maybe is better to start with a Rise XL and then progress to a veloce?

Thanks!!

surfcowboy
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Tuesday , 20 Oct 2020 2:42PM
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For getting started winging the Rise is a great choice. Easy to get on foil and very stable.

colas
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Tuesday , 20 Oct 2020 2:43PM
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Since you live in San Sebastian, it may be worth it to have a session in the bay of St Jean de Luz close by, when the conditions are good (lots of wind, it is a sheltered spot). As it has become the regional Mecca for foiling and Winging, it could be quite helpful for you to see other people do it and chat for advice, in a place without a shorebreak.

Taak
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Tuesday , 20 Oct 2020 4:22PM
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janoj said..
Thank guys! Very interesting points. I live near San Sebastian in the Basque country, and my intention is to wingfoil when the wind is enough to make the waves less attractive, have fun with the pleasure of "sailing", taking mushy waves without worrying about crowds, downwind, etc.. Shopping costs are not a problem living un Europe, so maybe is better to start with a Rise XL and then progress to a veloce?

Thanks!!


As I wrote in the starting post I would recommend skipping the rise. And go with the curve. You don't lose on low end for winging. It is actually easier.

janoj
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Tuesday , 20 Oct 2020 5:35PM
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Thanks!!!

janoj
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Tuesday , 20 Oct 2020 5:38PM
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Oh, I hadn't read your post Taak, so, you actually would recommend Curve, which size for 70 kgs? Thanks!!

surfcowboy
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Wednesday , 21 Oct 2020 10:33AM
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At your weight, for winging I'd bet the XL is pretty sweet. That seems to be the magic one for winging.

Taak
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Wednesday , 21 Oct 2020 2:06PM
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janoj said..
Oh, I hadn't read your post Taak, so, you actually would recommend Curve, which size for 70 kgs? Thanks!!


If low-end is important the curve XL. Else you could directly go to veloce XL.



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