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Hdip
274 posts
27 Jan 2022 2:31AM
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Josh from Foilshop.com with his 1095 review. I went and watched his surfline rewind footage from his first session on it. The foil looks good. He was staying up for a long time and connecting long pump runs.

toppleover
QLD, 1990 posts
27 Jan 2022 6:15AM
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A short review by the Foilshop.com of the 980, that I believe is spot on

windeee
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27 Jan 2022 8:13PM
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toppleover said..



adamscianniman said..
a few rides in now on the 1095. currently running 178 tail. i shimmed the tail for more lift today with a 1.5 degree shim (not the takuma one i have custom ones i cant remember where i got them). the pump is beastly BUT its really stiffened up the turning. which i knew it would do. but i was hoping it didnt stiff it up this much. im gonna try a mast shim tomorrow with no tail shim and see how that goes. i noticed with the pump that i really had to slow it down compared to the go foil stuff i was riding before. with go foil i found really fast shallow stabs was the best pump. the 1095 seems to like slower pumps where you milk the glide a bit more and rip your hips forward and stand up straight to get that glide. was a nice feeling. might have just been the shim i had in today though.

Anyone stuffed around with tuning the 1095 yet? anyone experimented with reducing the lift with tail shims? interested to know how that feels. i have a sneaking feeling that no tail shim with a mast shim to increase lift might give me the happy medium im after. but ive never mast shimmed so i wont know till i try it.

cheers!






Hey Adam, just to clarify - thick side of shim under the front or back bolt of stab & what board are you on also prone/sup other?




hey mate i was shimming to increase lift so fat side under front bolt (im pretty sure). pitching tail down to push front wing up. thats the way i always remember it. i know the takuma shims only let you go the other way, pitch tail up, because of the way the shim is shaped, it only goes on 1 way, im pretty sure that reduces lift. i have some 3d printed shims that can be put on either way. i tried the mast shim off the helium today in pretty good waves and no tail shim and it felt so good. i havent ever shimmed to reduce lift but since the takuma shims only go that way, maybe they are kind of recommending you dont shim the tail the way i did it (more drag, increase lift). getting closer to the feel i like though. i heard someone say that they have been using the takuma shims and it makes the pump better. coming off the go foil stuff i dont really understand how less lift can make you pump better but im sure its just cos i dont understand foils taht well ha ha. perhaps its cos they go faster or maybe it reduces stall speed or something.



I shim stab to flatten it out on the 1210 and it feels and is measurably faster from my GPS logs. It's a kane 13.5" and I whack 1.5mm shim to flatten it.

At 85kg I found the pump benefits from the higher speed as you hypothesise and I really did not perceive a loss in lift, perhaps slightly trying to dig it out of a hole only.

1095 sounds epic!

P.s wanted to ask if there is a Takuma to Axis mast adapter available anywhere now? Want to put the few mm thicker axis mast on, would love a cedrus but for the cost.

Cheers all

PeterP
761 posts
28 Jan 2022 1:52PM
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windeee said..

adamscianniman said..



toppleover said..




adamscianniman said..
a few rides in now on the 1095. currently running 178 tail. i shimmed the tail for more lift today with a 1.5 degree shim (not the takuma one i have custom ones i cant remember where i got them). the pump is beastly BUT its really stiffened up the turning. which i knew it would do. but i was hoping it didnt stiff it up this much. im gonna try a mast shim tomorrow with no tail shim and see how that goes. i noticed with the pump that i really had to slow it down compared to the go foil stuff i was riding before. with go foil i found really fast shallow stabs was the best pump. the 1095 seems to like slower pumps where you milk the glide a bit more and rip your hips forward and stand up straight to get that glide. was a nice feeling. might have just been the shim i had in today though.

Anyone stuffed around with tuning the 1095 yet? anyone experimented with reducing the lift with tail shims? interested to know how that feels. i have a sneaking feeling that no tail shim with a mast shim to increase lift might give me the happy medium im after. but ive never mast shimmed so i wont know till i try it.

cheers!







Hey Adam, just to clarify - thick side of shim under the front or back bolt of stab & what board are you on also prone/sup other?





hey mate i was shimming to increase lift so fat side under front bolt (im pretty sure). pitching tail down to push front wing up. thats the way i always remember it. i know the takuma shims only let you go the other way, pitch tail up, because of the way the shim is shaped, it only goes on 1 way, im pretty sure that reduces lift. i have some 3d printed shims that can be put on either way. i tried the mast shim off the helium today in pretty good waves and no tail shim and it felt so good. i havent ever shimmed to reduce lift but since the takuma shims only go that way, maybe they are kind of recommending you dont shim the tail the way i did it (more drag, increase lift). getting closer to the feel i like though. i heard someone say that they have been using the takuma shims and it makes the pump better. coming off the go foil stuff i dont really understand how less lift can make you pump better but im sure its just cos i dont understand foils taht well ha ha. perhaps its cos they go faster or maybe it reduces stall speed or something.




I shim stab to flatten it out on the 1210 and it feels and is measurably faster from my GPS logs. It's a kane 13.5" and I whack 1.5mm shim to flatten it.

At 85kg I found the pump benefits from the higher speed as you hypothesise and I really did not perceive a loss in lift, perhaps slightly trying to dig it out of a hole only.

1095 sounds epic!

P.s wanted to ask if there is a Takuma to Axis mast adapter available anywhere now? Want to put the few mm thicker axis mast on, would love a cedrus but for the cost.

Cheers all


According to Hadou you should go for the Cedrus....

toppleover
QLD, 1990 posts
28 Jan 2022 5:35PM
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I shim stab to flatten it out on the 1210 and it feels and is measurably faster from my GPS logs. It's a kane 13.5" and I whack 1.5mm shim to flatten it.

At 85kg I found the pump benefits from the higher speed as you hypothesise and I really did not perceive a loss in lift, perhaps slightly trying to dig it out of a hole only.

1095 sounds epic!

P.s wanted to ask if there is a Takuma to Axis mast adapter available anywhere now? Want to put the few mm thicker axis mast on, would love a cedrus but for the cost.

Cheers all







According to Hadou you should go for the Cedrus....







$1100USD + shipping/taxes and you also need a aluminium fuselage but the Cedrus mast system does look great & it's only money

Dommo49
162 posts
28 Jan 2022 4:50PM
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Finally got my hands on the Kujira 1095 after seeing Adam and Erik feedback.

TLTR : Turns like the 980, pumps like the 1210 if at speed. It's a clear next step in the evolution of the kujira range!

Long version :
- Turning and wave play : Turns like the 980, except if in a tight corner (small hollow wave), then you still feel the wide span. Breaching feels at least as good as the 1210, also super stable in foam hits.
- Pumping and stall : Pumps like the 1210 when at speed in terms of energy input, might get better with more sessions. If the speed is too low then the pumping is quite inefficient, the optimal cruising speed for pumping (minimum energy input per pump) is much higher than the 1210. For a high aspect wing, the stall speed is quite low and it has a very forgiving behavior, with early signs of partial stall when pushing too hard on it at low speed (more forgiving than the armstrong high aspect).
- Role in the range : Can replace the 980 and 1210 for proning on most days. I would still prefer a 980 if there is no pumping and it's a firing pointbreak, because it would be breaching less on hard turns and feel more compact. I would still prefer the 1210 in very low power waves where the average speed is quite low, also true for the 1440 if the conditions have no size nor power at all.
- Settings that feel right : On the aluminum mast and fuse, no shim on the plate, +0.5 degree shim on the 178 tail (higher AOA). I tried the custom short fuse that I usually run on the 1210, it felt great for turning but a bit draggy on the pumping.


Custom short fuse? Are these available to buy somewhere?

foilstate
72 posts
28 Jan 2022 7:40PM
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Dommo49 said..

foilstate said..
Finally got my hands on the Kujira 1095 after seeing Adam and Erik feedback.

TLTR : Turns like the 980, pumps like the 1210 if at speed. It's a clear next step in the evolution of the kujira range!

Long version :
- Turning and wave play : Turns like the 980, except if in a tight corner (small hollow wave), then you still feel the wide span. Breaching feels at least as good as the 1210, also super stable in foam hits.
- Pumping and stall : Pumps like the 1210 when at speed in terms of energy input, might get better with more sessions. If the speed is too low then the pumping is quite inefficient, the optimal cruising speed for pumping (minimum energy input per pump) is much higher than the 1210. For a high aspect wing, the stall speed is quite low and it has a very forgiving behavior, with early signs of partial stall when pushing too hard on it at low speed (more forgiving than the armstrong high aspect).
- Role in the range : Can replace the 980 and 1210 for proning on most days. I would still prefer a 980 if there is no pumping and it's a firing pointbreak, because it would be breaching less on hard turns and feel more compact. I would still prefer the 1210 in very low power waves where the average speed is quite low, also true for the 1440 if the conditions have no size nor power at all.
- Settings that feel right : On the aluminum mast and fuse, no shim on the plate, +0.5 degree shim on the 178 tail (higher AOA). I tried the custom short fuse that I usually run on the 1210, it felt great for turning but a bit draggy on the pumping.



Custom short fuse? Are these available to buy somewhere?


Drilled a hole in the alu fuselage, can check my insta @foilstate for more details. No signs of takuma selling different fuse length yet..

timmcg89
WA, 10 posts
28 Jan 2022 8:13PM
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I shim stab to flatten it out on the 1210 and it feels and is measurably faster from my GPS logs. It's a kane 13.5" and I whack 1.5mm shim to flatten it.

At 85kg I found the pump benefits from the higher speed as you hypothesise and I really did not perceive a loss in lift, perhaps slightly trying to dig it out of a hole only.

1095 sounds epic!

P.s wanted to ask if there is a Takuma to Axis mast adapter available anywhere now? Want to put the few mm thicker axis mast on, would love a cedrus but for the cost.

Cheers all








According to Hadou you should go for the Cedrus....








$1100USD + shipping/taxes and you also need a aluminium fuselage but the Cedrus mast system does look great & it's only money


Yeh I had a look on surffx website and it says a full carbon setup costs $3700 aud?? ??

Hdip
274 posts
28 Jan 2022 11:16PM
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Dommo49 said..




Custom short fuse? Are these available to buy somewhere?



talk to josh at thefoilshop.com I believe he told me he has a line on these.

kyle mentions josh In the latest progression podcast too.

adamscianniman
NSW, 9 posts
29 Jan 2022 3:58PM
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man it totally clicked today. i think in 1 session my foiling improved about 100%. wow. was on a borrowed board that has a box a bit further forward. i ran the mast shim again with no tail shim and was probably right at the limit of chest high waves for taking off with the amount of lift but my god did the thing pump and had all that turn too. so when i go bak to my normal board with the box slightly further back im going to try and use 1mm more than the 3mm mast shim that comes with the takuma's. gonna use washers but id rather not they go rusty and leave marks everywhere. where is everyone getting their mast shims from? i see wizard hat and foil mount have some but i dont want ot run with those bolts hanging out the front. anyone got a good line on these things? im sure they are everywhere. ive seen some good pics of plastic wedges around but couldnt see them mention where they got them.

cheers boys!

toppleover
QLD, 1990 posts
29 Jan 2022 4:13PM
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adamscianniman said..
man it totally clicked today. i think in 1 session my foiling improved about 100%. wow. was on a borrowed board that has a box a bit further forward. i ran the mast shim again with no tail shim and was probably right at the limit of chest high waves for taking off with the amount of lift but my god did the thing pump and had all that turn too. so when i go bak to my normal board with the box slightly further back im going to try and use 1mm more than the 3mm mast shim that comes with the takuma's. gonna use washers but id rather not they go rusty and leave marks everywhere. where is everyone getting their mast shims from? i see wizard hat and foil mount have some but i dont want ot run with those bolts hanging out the front. anyone got a good line on these things? im sure they are everywhere. ive seen some good pics of plastic wedges around but couldnt see them mention where they got them.

cheers boys!

Hey Adam, what mast setup are you using - carbon or aluminium mate?

These shims look good:
ppcfoiling.com/product/ppc-board-shim/

Also, I think Robbie from Signature Foils Australia can print some up.

Hadou
5 posts
29 Jan 2022 2:20PM
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Hi Adam !

I made a little Vid?o on those shims. if you are talking about plate shims / Mast shims i mean, lots of friends can 3D print them if they know ow to design them but we have a french Guy who runs the company AP3D and makes custom shims for every brand of foil.
here is where I got my 0,5 / 1 / 1,5 degres set for my Takuma Kujira Aluminium. He also made a custom single shim for the T-BAR to avoid using the 3 "bigmac" shims you need to stack on the TK boards. Have a look



the shim maker can do something for us here : ap3dcustom.sumup.link/

adamscianniman
NSW, 9 posts
30 Jan 2022 4:31PM
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Hi Adam !

I made a little Vid?o on those shims. if you are talking about plate shims / Mast shims i mean, lots of friends can 3D print them if they know ow to design them but we have a french Guy who runs the company AP3D and makes custom shims for every brand of foil.
here is where I got my 0,5 / 1 / 1,5 degres set for my Takuma Kujira Aluminium. He also made a custom single shim for the T-BAR to avoid using the 3 "bigmac" shims you need to stack on the TK boards. Have a look



the shim maker can do something for us here : ap3dcustom.sumup.link/


awesome!!! thanks so much. as soon as my carbon mast arrives i will order one. i just want to see what it comes with first. what a great video thankyou.

frenchfoiler
412 posts
4 Feb 2022 7:48AM
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After two weeks of surf foiling the 1095 (75cm alu mast), I can tell I like it!

I I'm using the Takuma base plate and a shim (front screw of the stab). This makes the foil more forgiving at low speed, the speed stall is super low. You loose a little bit of top speed and maybe it is less quick in the pump but for it is worth it. I tuned it like this so it gives me more the Unifoil hyper feeling I love. But I found the kujira faster and better for turning, it goes faster on the turn and barely doesn't breach even at full speed and during big carving turn.

Ii have order a Cedrus mast, so it should gives more performance out of it.

toppleover
QLD, 1990 posts
4 Feb 2022 4:59PM
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adamscianniman said..

Hadou said..
Hi Adam !

I made a little Vid?o on those shims. if you are talking about plate shims / Mast shims i mean, lots of friends can 3D print them if they know ow to design them but we have a french Guy who runs the company AP3D and makes custom shims for every brand of foil.
here is where I got my 0,5 / 1 / 1,5 degres set for my Takuma Kujira Aluminium. He also made a custom single shim for the T-BAR to avoid using the 3 "bigmac" shims you need to stack on the TK boards. Have a look



the shim maker can do something for us here : ap3dcustom.sumup.link/



awesome!!! thanks so much. as soon as my carbon mast arrives i will order one. i just want to see what it comes with first. what a great video thankyou.


Hey Adam, I read on the Takuma Foil owners club FB page that the 2022 carbon T-mast has the 3-deg angle built in like the 2021 alloy setup did - so you may not need to shim the mast plate (the 2020 & 2021 carbon T-mast are the ones that require the base plate shim).

Hadou might be able to confirm?

adamscianniman
NSW, 9 posts
6 Feb 2022 2:10PM
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toppleover said..

adamscianniman said..


Hadou said..
Hi Adam !

I made a little Vid?o on those shims. if you are talking about plate shims / Mast shims i mean, lots of friends can 3D print them if they know ow to design them but we have a french Guy who runs the company AP3D and makes custom shims for every brand of foil.
here is where I got my 0,5 / 1 / 1,5 degres set for my Takuma Kujira Aluminium. He also made a custom single shim for the T-BAR to avoid using the 3 "bigmac" shims you need to stack on the TK boards. Have a look



the shim maker can do something for us here : ap3dcustom.sumup.link/




awesome!!! thanks so much. as soon as my carbon mast arrives i will order one. i just want to see what it comes with first. what a great video thankyou.



Hey Adam, I read on the Takuma Foil owners club FB page that the 2022 carbon T-mast has the 3-deg angle built in like the 2021 alloy setup did - so you may not need to shim the mast plate (the 2020 & 2021 carbon T-mast are the ones that require the base plate shim).

Hadou might be able to confirm?


awesome news. cheers for that.

Hadou
5 posts
11 Feb 2022 2:43PM
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hi! no . i got a fresh tbar from takuma a few weeks ago for testing. ecxept for the graphics, nothing has change and you need to shim it under the plate. still too much nose up if you don't shim it. i put 2.2 degres (the equivalent measured of three takuma shims) but i will remove a bit of thickness down to 1,5 or 1 and coensate the nose up with rearwings shim. everything is perfect on that t-bar once flying but i need to tune it to make my take off as early and efficient as with the aluminium set when surf foiling. many of the t-bar users only stack two shims instead of three . let's see !

foilstate
72 posts
13 Feb 2022 3:18AM
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Not sure if posted anywhere before? Very interesting publication about sinusoidal leading-edge on foils.. "Effect of Bio-Inspired Sinusoidal Leading-Edges on Wings" (2018)

Kujira front wing whale like tubercules probably have a significant effect on the foil's behavior, making the coefficient of lift more homogenous across all angles of attack, plus a softened and delayed stall.

Manuscript in free access online. In the conclusion :
"The stall characteristics for all of the models with modified leading-edges did not exhibit a dramatic, sudden loss in lift, but a more gradual, almost plateau of CLmax before a very gradual loss in lift. Although the sinusoidal leading-edge models do not have as high of a CLmax and CL is comparable or lower for most of the angles of attack up to 16?, the presence of the tubercles softens and delays stall. Additionally, after 16?, the sinusoidal leading-edge model exhibits a higher CL, as much as 25%. This gives the sinusoidal leading-edge design an expanded operating envelope of higher lift at higher angles of attack."


Hwy1North
49 posts
13 Feb 2022 3:51AM
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Bio-Inspired Sinusoidal Leading-Edges- Not sure about all that, but comparing the 1095 to the 980, at 88kg: at lower speed and while pumping hard, the 980 can stall and drop hard, whereas the 1095 just slows and sinks. The 980 is still prefered for pitching waves, but the 1095 rules for sloping waves. Take offs on the 1095 are tricky if I need to angle hard for a pitching wave, so I just go straight and then glide back to the wave, the 980 can angle on take off and stay high on the wave easier. If I had choose between the two, I'd take the 1095 due to the amazing glide, stability at take off, insane low speed recovery, and it turns really well. As I have both, Im very happy!

Tuning wise, I tried the 1095 with the 178 tail and a shim under the front screw and found it rode nose high, front footed, fast, and a bit choppy (pitch sensitive.) With a 13.5" KD tail and shim at back screw, it was slightly less fast, much more stable and even footed, and turned just fine. I'm lacking in pumping ability, so the glide back out was much appreciated. For a less skilled foiler such as myself, I'd say the 1095 is really easy to ride and just feels very polished.

PeterP
761 posts
13 Feb 2022 3:13PM
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This guy is working those Sinus'es - 3km dockstart to reef pump before relaxing in the waves...

www.instagram.com/tv/CZ3ZeTUAglq/

Alysum
NSW, 886 posts
21 Feb 2022 7:45AM
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toppleover has put his 1095 up for sale

toppleover
QLD, 1990 posts
21 Feb 2022 9:35AM
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toppleover has put his 1095 up for sale


Haha, yes this is sad but true - for my local & prone only I find the 980/1210 is all I need, so even though the 1095 is a very exciting ride there is way too much overlap.

If I was to have 1 wing only, it would be the 1095.

Will put an add up soon (Sold)

Velocicraptor
197 posts
23 Feb 2022 6:29PM
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Hwy1North said..
Bio-Inspired Sinusoidal Leading-Edges- Not sure about all that, but comparing the 1095 to the 980, at 88kg: at lower speed and while pumping hard, the 980 can stall and drop hard, whereas the 1095 just slows and sinks. The 980 is still prefered for pitching waves, but the 1095 rules for sloping waves. Take offs on the 1095 are tricky if I need to angle hard for a pitching wave, so I just go straight and then glide back to the wave, the 980 can angle on take off and stay high on the wave easier. If I had choose between the two, I'd take the 1095 due to the amazing glide, stability at take off, insane low speed recovery, and it turns really well. As I have both, Im very happy!

Tuning wise, I tried the 1095 with the 178 tail and a shim under the front screw and found it rode nose high, front footed, fast, and a bit choppy (pitch sensitive.) With a 13.5" KD tail and shim at back screw, it was slightly less fast, much more stable and even footed, and turned just fine. I'm lacking in pumping ability, so the glide back out was much appreciated. For a less skilled foiler such as myself, I'd say the 1095 is really easy to ride and just feels very polished.



Would you mind measuring your 178 stabilizer? How wide is the wingspan? Have you tried any other stabilizers on it (other than the 178 and KD 13.5)?

Piros
QLD, 6392 posts
23 Feb 2022 9:10PM
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PeterP said..
This guy is working those Sinus'es - 3km dockstart to reef pump before relaxing in the waves...

www.instagram.com/tv/CZ3ZeTUAglq/


Holy **** that was amazing .

Alysum
NSW, 886 posts
23 Feb 2022 10:16PM
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Sure is amazing...

Has anyone in AU tried to dockstart the 1440?

PeterP
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23 Feb 2022 9:10PM
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Piros said..

PeterP said..
This guy is working those Sinus'es - 3km dockstart to reef pump before relaxing in the waves...

www.instagram.com/tv/CZ3ZeTUAglq/



Holy **** that was amazing .


Go to his insta - he just posted a 6km non-stop pump across lagoon in 23min 27secs....animal - using std Kujira 1440 with 220 stab

foilstate
72 posts
23 Feb 2022 9:36PM
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Velocicraptor said..

Hwy1North said..
Bio-Inspired Sinusoidal Leading-Edges- Not sure about all that, but comparing the 1095 to the 980, at 88kg: at lower speed and while pumping hard, the 980 can stall and drop hard, whereas the 1095 just slows and sinks. The 980 is still prefered for pitching waves, but the 1095 rules for sloping waves. Take offs on the 1095 are tricky if I need to angle hard for a pitching wave, so I just go straight and then glide back to the wave, the 980 can angle on take off and stay high on the wave easier. If I had choose between the two, I'd take the 1095 due to the amazing glide, stability at take off, insane low speed recovery, and it turns really well. As I have both, Im very happy!

Tuning wise, I tried the 1095 with the 178 tail and a shim under the front screw and found it rode nose high, front footed, fast, and a bit choppy (pitch sensitive.) With a 13.5" KD tail and shim at back screw, it was slightly less fast, much more stable and even footed, and turned just fine. I'm lacking in pumping ability, so the glide back out was much appreciated. For a less skilled foiler such as myself, I'd say the 1095 is really easy to ride and just feels very polished.




Would you mind measuring your 178 stabilizer? How wide is the wingspan? Have you tried any other stabilizers on it (other than the 178 and KD 13.5)?


I have just received the kd13 that I have to try. It's about the same span as the 178 (so the 178 is 13 inches), the 2 tails look quite similar, maximum thickness more forward for kd, and a bit more surface on the tips for kd. Let me know what you need I can give it a measure, will report back on feels when tried properly.

Velocicraptor
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23 Feb 2022 10:46PM
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foilstate said..

Velocicraptor said..


Hwy1North said..
Bio-Inspired Sinusoidal Leading-Edges- Not sure about all that, but comparing the 1095 to the 980, at 88kg: at lower speed and while pumping hard, the 980 can stall and drop hard, whereas the 1095 just slows and sinks. The 980 is still prefered for pitching waves, but the 1095 rules for sloping waves. Take offs on the 1095 are tricky if I need to angle hard for a pitching wave, so I just go straight and then glide back to the wave, the 980 can angle on take off and stay high on the wave easier. If I had choose between the two, I'd take the 1095 due to the amazing glide, stability at take off, insane low speed recovery, and it turns really well. As I have both, Im very happy!

Tuning wise, I tried the 1095 with the 178 tail and a shim under the front screw and found it rode nose high, front footed, fast, and a bit choppy (pitch sensitive.) With a 13.5" KD tail and shim at back screw, it was slightly less fast, much more stable and even footed, and turned just fine. I'm lacking in pumping ability, so the glide back out was much appreciated. For a less skilled foiler such as myself, I'd say the 1095 is really easy to ride and just feels very polished.





Would you mind measuring your 178 stabilizer? How wide is the wingspan? Have you tried any other stabilizers on it (other than the 178 and KD 13.5)?



I have just received the kd13 that I have to try. It's about the same span as the 178 (so the 178 is 13 inches), the 2 tails look quite similar, maximum thickness more forward for kd, and a bit more surface on the tips for kd. Let me know what you need I can give it a measure, will report back on feels when tried properly.


Really looking for size references between the Kujira 220 and/or 178 vs a size reference for the KDMaui tails. Understanding that the 178 is similar size to the KD13 is helpful. Any comparison in feel would be great.

PeterP
761 posts
24 Feb 2022 1:48AM
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Velocicraptor said..

foilstate said..


Velocicraptor said..



Hwy1North said..
Bio-Inspired Sinusoidal Leading-Edges- Not sure about all that, but comparing the 1095 to the 980, at 88kg: at lower speed and while pumping hard, the 980 can stall and drop hard, whereas the 1095 just slows and sinks. The 980 is still prefered for pitching waves, but the 1095 rules for sloping waves. Take offs on the 1095 are tricky if I need to angle hard for a pitching wave, so I just go straight and then glide back to the wave, the 980 can angle on take off and stay high on the wave easier. If I had choose between the two, I'd take the 1095 due to the amazing glide, stability at take off, insane low speed recovery, and it turns really well. As I have both, Im very happy!

Tuning wise, I tried the 1095 with the 178 tail and a shim under the front screw and found it rode nose high, front footed, fast, and a bit choppy (pitch sensitive.) With a 13.5" KD tail and shim at back screw, it was slightly less fast, much more stable and even footed, and turned just fine. I'm lacking in pumping ability, so the glide back out was much appreciated. For a less skilled foiler such as myself, I'd say the 1095 is really easy to ride and just feels very polished.






Would you mind measuring your 178 stabilizer? How wide is the wingspan? Have you tried any other stabilizers on it (other than the 178 and KD 13.5)?




I have just received the kd13 that I have to try. It's about the same span as the 178 (so the 178 is 13 inches), the 2 tails look quite similar, maximum thickness more forward for kd, and a bit more surface on the tips for kd. Let me know what you need I can give it a measure, will report back on feels when tried properly.



Really looking for size references between the Kujira 220 and/or 178 vs a size reference for the KDMaui tails. Understanding that the 178 is similar size to the KD13 is helpful. Any comparison in feel would be great.


I have the Kujira 220, 178 and KD Wilde Signature Mach 1. Mach 1 is about same width as 220 but way more slippery, better glide better pump, but requires tiny shim to feel more locked-in in turns. The 178 also feels slippery with good glide but it feels a little squirrelly for me and doesn't inspire confidence in turns for me - a shim may resolve this, but I have not tried this yet. I have used all with 1210 and 1440. The 1440 is a monster for pumping with the Mach 1.

toppleover
QLD, 1990 posts
24 Feb 2022 7:47AM
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Pic of the KD13" above the 178 below

Pic below of the Mike Pedigo shorty tail over the KD13 with holes lined up.


The MP shorty tail is my favourite atm, it does imo loose a little bit of pump and drive through turns compared to the KD13 but in small waves really loosens up the 1210 & 980 when shimmed correctly.



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