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Thinking about mounting a Foil onto a softboard, any ideas ?:-)

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Created by Johndesu Thursday, 15 Oct 2020
Johndesu
NSW, 276 posts
Thursday , 15 Oct 2020 12:48PM
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I am getting constantly beaten up my my Foilboard so maybe a Softboard might be better. Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas perhaps?:-) Thanks

Piros
QLD, 6008 posts
Thursday , 15 Oct 2020 1:11PM
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Just bolt right through it been done plenty of times before , they tend to break after a while from pumping so they do flex but cheap fast way to get on the water.

Hdip
102 posts
Thursday , 15 Oct 2020 12:03PM
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Pictures and ideas in this thread.
www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,36223.0.html

Chasing Bumps
QLD, 19 posts
Thursday , 15 Oct 2020 10:01PM
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Used to sell soft boards. They are all as weak as piss and won't stand a chance with a foil. Not worth wrecking a board over.

gavnwend
NSW, 1098 posts
Friday , 16 Oct 2020 6:41AM
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Buy a inflatable! Problem solved.

Johndesu
NSW, 276 posts
Friday , 16 Oct 2020 10:23AM
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Piros said..
Just bolt right through it been done plenty of times before , they tend to break after a while from pumping so they do flex but cheap fast way to get on the water.


Yes thats what I was thinking Piros, and I have already tried with a broken / creased (self repaired) small sup which was better but still a bit dangerous. Also I thought that I might just foil a softboard prone and lying down first - then kneeling a few waves etc. - before trying to stand up, do you think that is the way to go?:-)
Also I want to ask what you think about prone foiling vs sup foiling - which is better / easier ?:-)
And thanks for all feedback (from everyone;-)

Hdip
102 posts
Friday , 16 Oct 2020 8:00AM
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Whichever one you're used to is the one that you should start with. SUP you have the advantage of already being standing. If you don't know how to SUP though I imagine that would make it harder.

While you can ride prone, and on your knees. You get stuck in that position. Paddling in prone you have a small window to pop straight to your feet. If you have to crawl up to your knees and then one leg at a time it's very hard to balance while doing all that.

Johndesu
NSW, 276 posts
Friday , 16 Oct 2020 1:34PM
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Hdip said..
Whichever one you're used to is the one that you should start with. SUP you have the advantage of already being standing. If you don't know how to SUP though I imagine that would make it harder.

While you can ride prone, and on your knees. You get stuck in that position. Paddling in prone you have a small window to pop straight to your feet. If you have to crawl up to your knees and then one leg at a time it's very hard to balance while doing all that.


Hi Hdip
I am a very good sup & shortboard surfer but when I tried sup foiling (x3 times now) it has been a bad experience so some people have told me to forget the paddle and try from prone. I have only managed a short 2 metre / 1 sec ride on a 1ft wave so far (my best), every other wave has been a total fail - a total stop / stall, bucked of the back, bucked over the front, the sides, the board & foil hitting me (everywhere), loss of confidence & commitment resulting in another wipe out. The fact that after the board lifts up (thats if I can get it up sometimes) it is pretty high out of the water and plus the drop down the face of a wave feels like almost a 2 meters drop (or crash in my case)

PrfctChaos
WA, 52 posts
Friday , 16 Oct 2020 10:53AM
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Johndesu said..

Hdip said..
Whichever one you're used to is the one that you should start with. SUP you have the advantage of already being standing. If you don't know how to SUP though I imagine that would make it harder.

While you can ride prone, and on your knees. You get stuck in that position. Paddling in prone you have a small window to pop straight to your feet. If you have to crawl up to your knees and then one leg at a time it's very hard to balance while doing all that.



Hi Hdip
I am a very good sup & shortboard surfer but when I tried sup foiling (x3 times now) it has been a bad experience so some people have told me to forget the paddle and try from prone. I have only managed a short 2 metre / 1 sec ride on a 1ft wave so far (my best), every other wave has been a total fail - a total stop / stall, bucked of the back, bucked over the front, the sides, the board & foil hitting me (everywhere), loss of confidence & commitment resulting in another wipe out. The fact that after the board lifts up (thats if I can get it up sometimes) it is pretty high out of the water and plus the drop down the face of a wave feels like almost a 2 meters drop (or crash in my case)


Getting towed behind a boat on the foil is a great way to get used to the feeling of foiling and put in some serious time on the foil.

surfcowboy
79 posts
Friday , 16 Oct 2020 10:59AM
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Ok, 2 ideas here.

First, how much do you weigh? If you're lighter, people have probably told you to buy a big beginner wing which is normally the best idea. However at my size, my 2000cm2 beginner wing bucked me every time. So wwaves were either too small to fly or too big to stay down.

i learned to only take certain waves (exactly knee high) and then as soon as I could I moved down to a smaller wing. Now I can take drops and control the take off. Way better. I went too small (1,100cm2) but it helped me build confidence.

Separately, as to breaking the Wavestorm, I'm copying the HIPE for mine and glassing a platform that the foil mounts to that is 30" long and exactly as wide as the board. To test I'm doing a Piros and duct taping it on to start. My weight and pumping will be supported by the platform. Fortunately good warm waves and wind have kept me out of the garage so it's cut but not yet glassed.

Piros
QLD, 6008 posts
Friday , 16 Oct 2020 3:51PM
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Johndesu said :- Also I want to ask what you think about prone foiling vs sup foiling - which is better / easier ?:-)

100% start on a Sup especially if you don't have a short board surfing background. The big advantage of the Sup you are already on your feet in the right spot . Popping up on a prone and landing with your feet in the right spot is the biggest challenge . It's a painful learning curve.

Johndesu
NSW, 276 posts
Saturday , 17 Oct 2020 11:00AM
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PrfctChaos said..

Johndesu said..


Hdip said..
Whichever one you're used to is the one that you should start with. SUP you have the advantage of already being standing. If you don't know how to SUP though I imagine that would make it harder.

While you can ride prone, and on your knees. You get stuck in that position. Paddling in prone you have a small window to pop straight to your feet. If you have to crawl up to your knees and then one leg at a time it's very hard to balance while doing all that.




Hi Hdip
I am a very good sup & shortboard surfer but when I tried sup foiling (x3 times now) it has been a bad experience so some people have told me to forget the paddle and try from prone. I have only managed a short 2 metre / 1 sec ride on a 1ft wave so far (my best), every other wave has been a total fail - a total stop / stall, bucked of the back, bucked over the front, the sides, the board & foil hitting me (everywhere), loss of confidence & commitment resulting in another wipe out. The fact that after the board lifts up (thats if I can get it up sometimes) it is pretty high out of the water and plus the drop down the face of a wave feels like almost a 2 meters drop (or crash in my case)



Getting towed behind a boat on the foil is a great way to get used to the feeling of foiling and put in some serious time on the foil.


I do not have access to a boat etc., so not possible :-(

Johndesu
NSW, 276 posts
Saturday , 17 Oct 2020 11:16AM
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surfcowboy said..
Ok, 2 ideas here.

First, how much do you weigh? If you're lighter, people have probably told you to buy a big beginner wing which is normally the best idea. However at my size, my 2000cm2 beginner wing bucked me every time. So wwaves were either too small to fly or too big to stay down.

i learned to only take certain waves (exactly knee high) and then as soon as I could I moved down to a smaller wing. Now I can take drops and control the take off. Way better. I went too small (1,100cm2) but it helped me build confidence.

Separately, as to breaking the Wavestorm, I'm copying the HIPE for mine and glassing a platform that the foil mounts to that is 30" long and exactly as wide as the board. To test I'm doing a Piros and duct taping it on to start. My weight and pumping will be supported by the platform. Fortunately good warm waves and wind have kept me out of the garage so it's cut but not yet glassed.


Hi
I am a light weight (65kg) and have tried a medium size foil as recommended (Go Foil iwa) but no good too much lift and too wide 32" too danderous, so I went to the smaller one (about 24") and a bit lighter and easier to carry, also a narrower lighter sup (about 90L) did also help and have had a bit of over all success (compared to the larger one), also a lighter softboard with attached foil would be be easier to carry to the surf for me (about 400 - 500 meters or so each time?:-)
Oh as far as wave size goes I have only really been on small 6" to 1ft waves and that feels plenty big for me:-)

Hdip
102 posts
Saturday , 17 Oct 2020 12:25PM
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learning to foil requires the flattest faced, smallest waves you can find. Two foot waves are to big to learn. Yes I know that sounds ridiculous but that's the beauty of foiling. My first long flights were in seriously six inch high waves.
ignore the sets. Forget everything you know about surfing. More weight on your front foot. Then more weight on your front foot again. Then it's ten sessions of falling. Sounds like you have two or three sessions of that out of the way. Good work. Keep going. Find crappier waves.

Johndesu
NSW, 276 posts
Sunday , 18 Oct 2020 10:08AM
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Hdip said..
learning to foil requires the flattest faced, smallest waves you can find. Two foot waves are to big to learn. Yes I know that sounds ridiculous but that's the beauty of foiling. My first long flights were in seriously six inch high waves.
ignore the sets. Forget everything you know about surfing. More weight on your front foot. Then more weight on your front foot again. Then it's ten sessions of falling. Sounds like you have two or three sessions of that out of the way. Good work. Keep going. Find crappier waves.

Yes thanks Hdip I agree with you as I have come to the same conclusion as you (because of my own research and other advice), my main problem appears to be getting started on my feet and actually staying up and going forward and not getting hit / wiped out at the moment, I will try just try the soft board - prone (like a body board) soon / next :-)



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