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Uni-foils?

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Created by jt737 > 9 months ago, 30 May 2019
paul.j
QLD, 2964 posts
3 Feb 2020 9:21PM
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kobo said..
Thanks guys, I understand mast flex now, but still not clear on wing flex. ( maybe there are no foil setups with only wing flex )


From my understanding wing flex is not a good thing and usually is from construction issues. We have made plenty of custom wings and the hardest part is getting them stiff enough for testing. The high aspect wings are harder as they are so thin and every wing we made that had to much flex felt like **** in any kind of turn. This makes prototyping wings quite hard but also one of the challenges that I like.

Where the line is for two much flex in a wing I guess is unknown but from all my testing the stiffer the better on the wing front.

kobo
NSW, 207 posts
3 Feb 2020 10:48PM
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Thanks Jacko ,So do they feel twitchy in a turn or unpredictable or want to suddenly overturn, just trying to understand how you would recognize a flexing wing.

frenchfoiler
149 posts
6 Feb 2020 3:44AM
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Jako, have you tried the Unifoil 210 on DW ?

Do you think the Unifoil and Signature are different regarding construction ? Signature foil are more expensive, is it the reason why ?

frenchfoiler
149 posts
6 Feb 2020 3:44AM
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Jako, have you tried the Unifoil 210 on DW ?

Do you think the Unifoil and Signature are different regarding construction ? Signature foil are more expensive, is it the reason why ?

paul.j
QLD, 2964 posts
6 Feb 2020 7:48AM
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frenchfoiler said..
Jako, have you tried the Unifoil 210 on DW ?

Do you think the Unifoil and Signature are different regarding construction ? Signature foil are more expensive, is it the reason why ?


Yeah used it on a small DW and really struggled.

I would have to check again with a guy who has a signature but from memory it felt like the unifoil wings had more flex but hard to say 100% with out them next to each other.

paul.j
QLD, 2964 posts
6 Feb 2020 7:48AM
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kobo said..
Thanks Jacko ,So do they feel twitchy in a turn or unpredictable or want to suddenly overturn, just trying to understand how you would recognize a flexing wing.


Let me see if I can do a vid showing the wing flex I am talking about.

Moonwalker
2 posts
10 Feb 2020 2:52PM
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Hi guys, anyone have any experience with the 185 Orbit foil from unifoil? For prone surf.

And does anyone have a contact number please for Matt, at uni foil OZ?

Many thanks : )

toppleover
QLD, 1658 posts
10 Feb 2020 5:10PM
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Moonwalker said..
Hi guys, anyone have any experience with the 185 Orbit foil from unifoil? For prone surf.

And does anyone have a contact number please for Matt, at uni foil OZ?

Many thanks : )


For Unifoil Australia, John's your man 0417655722

Moonwalker
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10 Feb 2020 6:30PM
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toppleover said..

Moonwalker said..
Hi guys, anyone have any experience with the 185 Orbit foil from unifoil? For prone surf.

And does anyone have a contact number please for Matt, at uni foil OZ?

Many thanks : )



For Unifoil Australia, John's your man 0417655722


Thanks very much. Have you had any experience with the 185?

Camarillo
261 posts
15 Feb 2020 3:32PM
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frenchfoiler said..
I tried the Signature 250 (1612cm2) for dw and I really like it especially for light/medium condition, easy to take off, really nice glide, forgiving at low speed. I tried with the down curve stab and I the flat stab, the flat stab was way better, more speed, more glide. I didn't tried on wave as it is too big for me.


How was the flex of the 250?
I am used to Axis wings and need the help of a stiff foil to balance.

Is the carbon mast tapered?

What bag do you need for air travel with this wing?

frenchfoiler
149 posts
15 Feb 2020 7:28PM
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Camarillo said..

frenchfoiler said..
I tried the Signature 250 (1612cm2) for dw and I really like it especially for light/medium condition, easy to take off, really nice glide, forgiving at low speed. I tried with the down curve stab and I the flat stab, the flat stab was way better, more speed, more glide. I didn't tried on wave as it is too big for me.



How was the flex of the 250?
I am used to Axis wings and need the help of a stiff foil to balance.

Is the carbon mast tapered?

What bag do you need for air travel with this wing?


Definetly more flex than Axis alu and obiously not super conveniant to travl with...
The mast is not tapered.

Camarillo
261 posts
16 Feb 2020 4:44PM
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frenchfoiler said..


Camarillo said..



frenchfoiler said..
I tried the Signature 250 (1612cm2) for dw and I really like it especially for light/medium condition, easy to take off, really nice glide, forgiving at low speed. I tried with the down curve stab and I the flat stab, the flat stab was way better, more speed, more glide. I didn't tried on wave as it is too big for me.



How was the flex of the 250?
I am used to Axis wings and need the help of a stiff foil to balance.
Is the carbon mast tapered?
What bag do you need for air travel with this wing?


Definetly more flex than Axis alu and obiously not super conveniant to travl with...
The mast is not tapered.



And how does the Signature 250 compare to the Axis S101 ?

Would it be easier to get flying , pump and stay up @85 kg with 1612 cm2 vs 1430 cm2?

frenchfoiler
149 posts
16 Feb 2020 7:19PM
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Camarillo said..

frenchfoiler said..



Camarillo said..




frenchfoiler said..
I tried the Signature 250 (1612cm2) for dw and I really like it especially for light/medium condition, easy to take off, really nice glide, forgiving at low speed. I tried with the down curve stab and I the flat stab, the flat stab was way better, more speed, more glide. I didn't tried on wave as it is too big for me.




How was the flex of the 250?
I am used to Axis wings and need the help of a stiff foil to balance.
Is the carbon mast tapered?
What bag do you need for air travel with this wing?



Definetly more flex than Axis alu and obiously not super conveniant to travl with...
The mast is not tapered.




And how does the Signature 250 compare to the Axis S101 ?

Would it be easier to get flying , pump and stay up @85 kg with 1612 cm2 vs 1430 cm2?


For DW the Signature 250 with flat stab (not the down curve) has better glide and it is easier to take off but it feels a little bit more instable paddling because of the flex in the mast.

frenchfoiler
149 posts
2 Mar 2020 9:21AM
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Any review with the 210 Signature for dw ? Looks like on Hawaiia and SA guys kill it on those.

Cygnify
QLD, 79 posts
2 Mar 2020 11:48AM
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Where can you buy signature gear from in Australia?

juandesooka
336 posts
2 Mar 2020 1:53PM
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really interesting progression project podcast with owner of unifoil.

soundcloud.com/progressionproject/clifford-coetzer-of-unifoil-designer-of-the-famous-210-hyper-and-albatross

hilly
WA, 5252 posts
2 Mar 2020 2:18PM
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Cygnify said..
Where can you buy signature gear from in Australia?



Try google - Signature+foil+au - I would guess it would be the top response

Piros
QLD, 5844 posts
2 Mar 2020 4:30PM
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Cygnify said..
Where can you buy signature gear from in Australia?



Jimmy , is the new Aus Signature dealer he lives in Newcastle m.0401774448

hilly
WA, 5252 posts
2 Mar 2020 3:14PM
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OK now I get the question





frenchfoiler
149 posts
4 Mar 2020 4:25AM
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Camarillo said..

colas said..
Message seems still there as of now: https://signaturefoilsaustralia.com/about-1 ...



Very helpful colas , not, Unifoil and Signature are very well respected here in SA please don't interfere


From what I see, Signature has never hidden the fact they use Unifoil design, so no big deal.


But It would interested to know if Unifoil and Signature are made the same.

Piros
QLD, 5844 posts
4 Mar 2020 8:00AM
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When Matt O'Rourke bought the rights to Signature Australia he was unaware that they were rebranded Uni foils . There is much more to the story but that's it in a nut shell . Unifoils were all hand made by Cliff the founder in South Africa . Matt set up a factory in China to manufacture Signature in volume . That same factory now manufacturers Unifoils . Signature now have their manufacturing set up so both brands are now completely seperate with different R&D . Some differences now showing . Uni has a 170 Hyper - Signature has a 165 Albatross (same wing smaller)

Uni has the 175 & 150 Vortex = Signature 175 Stealth plus they have added a 200 . Both brands are now doing split fuselage on all new models and will slowly start changing older models to split fuse as well.

colas
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4 Mar 2020 4:48PM
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Camarillo said..
Very helpful colas , not, Unifoil and Signature are very well respected here in SA please don't interfere



Since I don't know what you are implying, to be clear, based on the offensiveness of the text, I just thought that the site had been hacked and/or defaced. Thanks for Piros for the xplanations.

Chasing Bumps
QLD, 16 posts
4 Mar 2020 9:58PM
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signaturefoils.com.au/

Clamsmasha
WA, 188 posts
4 Mar 2020 8:37PM
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The comments in this insta post are pretty funny now.

www.instagram.com/p/By1kurCnx6N/?igshid=cf76uxlsbbbt

hilly
WA, 5252 posts
4 Mar 2020 9:02PM
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Clamsmasha said..
The comments in this insta post are pretty funny now.

www.instagram.com/p/By1kurCnx6N/?igshid=cf76uxlsbbbt


Gold

frenchfoiler
149 posts
22 Mar 2020 8:59PM
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The guy is super good and so is the wing no ??

www.instagram.com/p/B3Szlc8gByb/

frenchfoiler
149 posts
29 Mar 2020 5:30PM
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frenchfoiler said..
Any review with the 210 Signature for dw ? Looks like on Hawaiia and SA guys kill it on those.


Before the lockdown I was able to tried the 210 Signature I did some short run upwin/downwind, I was impressed by the speed and the glide, definetly the fastest wing I've ever tried DW.
Taking off on bumps wasn't too hard, way easier than on the 1000 or 900 Axis, I would say maybe similar to 101 Axis.

frenchfoiler
149 posts
Thursday , 21 May 2020 4:18PM
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Piros said..
Can't comment on the Uni for Sups but for the prone they are a weapon , however they really are for very experienced riders to get the most out of them. We did a 3 hour test on the Vortex 175 & Ultra 170 (4-0 & 4-4 prones) , we swapped for 4 times and rear wings twice. If you are going to test these wings in the surf you'll need apx 10 waves to work out whats going on. For me at 85kg I was a bit heavy for the 175 a younger fitter guy same weight might deal with it but was just alot of work for me. It's so incredibly fast but will decelerate quickly if you don't keep the flow. The Ultra 170 was more for me , this thing has so much grunt for such a skinny wing (1100 cm2) . it boosted me on the take off for the first 8 waves straight until I changed from the down curved carve to the straight tail , and boom I was away.

Just amazing , it was so fast and still pumped amazingly well and turned really tight , the biggest feature of the super high aspect wings is the way you go through white water and foam balls. They just slice through and it's not like riding a skateboard on rocks BUT again like all super high aspects you have to keep the throttle on and your work rate is really high. The bit of mast flex was fine on the prone and wings are well made but you will have to be careful. Would I buy one as my daily rider probably not , I would definitely like to own one but it would be my second foil for the perfect days. As Jacko mentioned above it's pretty hard to past something like a Takuma 1300 as your daily rider. If you have the spare cash and own more than one foils then this is a must have. Definitely recommend you demo one first though and try and have one long good session if not 2 as quiet a few punters have tried and only caught 4 or 5 waves came in and couldn't ride them.


I tried the Sig Albatross 165 (pretty much same as 170 Uni) with chop flat stab 15''.

Like said Jako, it felt super wobbly and unstable at first. And like said Piros it takes multiples waves to get used to it.
I also moved the foil more forward (it was way a the back and I didn't have enough lift). It was a brand new board, alittle bit longer than what i ususally ride (4'1 to 4'4) so I didn't know exactly where to put the foil.
The more I've been using it, the more I like it, very fast, you can push hard on the turn it will hold but you have to find the right amount of pressure (very sensitive). It pumps great but once again super technical, you have to maintain your speed using a different technique (keeping really hight the foil at all time), but you can go so fast that you can push harder and hold longer on the carving turn while connecting. Turning ability, I think like most of hight aspect wing, it is good for carving turns and down the line turns but not the best for vertical turns.

I like the glide and the speed of the hight aspect wing, even if i loose some performance out of the vertical surfing.



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