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Created by Seajuice 6 months ago, 19 Apr 2019
Piros
QLD, 5570 posts
12 Jul 2019 9:13AM
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Supmaori said..
That's awesome Rob..making it look easy man


Thanks Byron but still got a bit of poo manning going on riding switch

Scotty Mac
SA, 1908 posts
12 Jul 2019 9:24AM
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Piros maybe its the go pro view angle but you find it more comfortable and once your up and going on the foil to lock the wing lower down. Helps upwind and easy on your arms as you have strength and leverage down lower. Also theres an effect when you close the gap between the wing and the board which improves effeiciency. Do it you will feel what I mean.

Scotty Mac
SA, 1908 posts
12 Jul 2019 9:30AM
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See the poistion around 0.40 in this video. Alan Cadiz locking it down low.

Piros
QLD, 5570 posts
12 Jul 2019 11:04AM
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Yeah thanks for that Scotty the boys a tSurf FX said the same to me , horrible gusty day really unsettling . Can't wait to try in some steady wind

Scotty Mac
SA, 1908 posts
12 Jul 2019 10:55AM
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Yer its like all those wind sports, gusty wind makes it harder and a little less enjoyable. BTW That locked in low position only works across the wind or up wind. Better up high for broad reach and down wind.

Mwstard
74 posts
19 Jul 2019 6:20PM
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What leashes are people finding best with these?

Piros
QLD, 5570 posts
19 Jul 2019 8:57PM
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It's basically a boggie board leash .

Mwstard
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20 Jul 2019 4:56PM
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Piros said..
It's basically a boggie board leash .


Thanks, thought so.

warwickl
NSW, 1256 posts
20 Jul 2019 7:32PM
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Wind wings will replace everyday wind surfing/sail boarding.
Have I posted this in the correct forum?
Should I start a new topic in the windsurfing forum or just go back to sleep?

Camarillo
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20 Jul 2019 10:45PM
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warwickl said..
Wind wings will replace everyday wind surfing/sail boarding.
Have I posted this in the correct forum?
Should I start a new topic in the windsurfing forum or just go back to sleep?


I hope someone will figure out how to waterstart with a wind wing.
Climbing up and standing up from the knees on a 5'11 in chop with a wild wing is hard for a 6'1 190 lbs 63 yo

Holoholo
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22 Jul 2019 1:50AM
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Camarillo said..

warwickl said..
Wind wings will replace everyday wind surfing/sail boarding.
Have I posted this in the correct forum?
Should I start a new topic in the windsurfing forum or just go back to sleep?



I hope someone will figure out how to waterstart with a wind wing.
Climbing up and standing up from the knees on a 5'11 in chop with a wild wing is hard for a 6'1 190 lbs 63 yo


Yer waaaay ahead of the game mate... lots of 63 yo's find it hard to climb their fat arse up and out of the easy chair.

Camarillo
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22 Jul 2019 3:02AM
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Holoholo said..

Camarillo said..


warwickl said..
Wind wings will replace everyday wind surfing/sail boarding.
Have I posted this in the correct forum?
Should I start a new topic in the windsurfing forum or just go back to sleep?




I hope someone will figure out how to waterstart with a wind wing.
Climbing up and standing up from the knees on a 5'11 in chop with a wild wing is hard for a 6'1 190 lbs 63 yo



Yer waaaay ahead of the game mate... lots of 63 yo's find it hard to climb their fat arse up and out of the easy chair.


Thanks I will keep that in mind when I am making a fool of myself next time!!

JEG
VIC, 1282 posts
22 Jul 2019 6:50AM
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Camarillo said..

warwickl said..
Wind wings will replace everyday wind surfing/sail boarding.
Have I posted this in the correct forum?
Should I start a new topic in the windsurfing forum or just go back to sleep?



I hope someone will figure out how to waterstart with a wind wing.
Climbing up and standing up from the knees on a 5'11 in chop with a wild wing is hard for a 6'1 190 lbs 63 yo


Those you see winging it are pros, the rest of us are dreaming and it takes time (months/years) and if you have the right gear and the prime age that is

Camarillo
204 posts
22 Jul 2019 5:05AM
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My 21 yo daughter had a go with my supfoil and duotone windwing and she just went in and out flying on the foil no toeside or switch stanch.
Very frustrating but now I know a small board is not making it any easier...

LeighMajor
NSW, 327 posts
24 Jul 2019 8:54AM
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Piros said..
Here's my latest video on the Duotone 4m (day 4) pretty lit but so much fun. Starting to get used to riding switch.



Great footage.
Looks awesome.
piros looked overpowered at first.?
Too much fun.

Mwstard
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24 Jul 2019 7:48AM
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Camarillo said..

I hope someone will figure out how to waterstart with a wind wing.
Climbing up and standing up from the knees on a 5'11 in chop with a wild wing is hard for a 6'1 190 lbs 63 yo







Like this ? www.facebook.com/kai.lenny/videos/869372623431779/

colas
3424 posts
26 Jul 2019 6:21PM
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A 9m2 prototype, interesting...

FoilColorado
44 posts
26 Jul 2019 10:48PM
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Wow - bring it on!!

on foil in 6mph breeze?!?

JEG
VIC, 1282 posts
29 Jul 2019 8:25AM
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2020 wings so far

ffontana
15 posts
31 Jul 2019 6:34AM
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Wouldn't it be possible to convert an old peter Lynn c quad into a windwing?

Shape is almost the same. Top technology of the latest 90s in kitesurfing!
I'm afraid I still have a pair of 6.3 somewhere in the house basement!. I will probably give them a try.





shaggy696
WA, 59 posts
7 Aug 2019 7:39PM
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Obviously a wing would be lighter than a windsurfing sail therefore my question to anyone that has experience in both windsurfing foil and wing foil do you think you can get going in lighter winds with a wing rather than sail?
The wing looks easier to get going possibly the fact it's probably easier to pump the SUP foil but also looks easier to manoeuvre.

colas
3424 posts
7 Aug 2019 11:02PM
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With the current Wing gear and technique, you need much more wind to foil with a wing than a Windsurfing sail.
The windsurfing sail is stiff and nervous, with a very good profile, it is much more efficient, especially for pumping.

www.windfoilzone.com/single-post/windfoil-in-light-wind-conditions

Actually, it is simple to understand: with a wing, all its forces goes through your arms. If a wing was efficient, it would create a lot of force and you would need a harness.

Wings have a lot of advantages over windsurfing sails, but for now low wing range is not one of them yet.

shaggy696
WA, 59 posts
8 Aug 2019 8:58PM
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colas said..
With the current Wing gear and technique, you need much more wind to foil with a wing than a Windsurfing sail.
The windsurfing sail is stiff and nervous, with a very good profile, it is much more efficient, especially for pumping.

www.windfoilzone.com/single-post/windfoil-in-light-wind-conditions

Actually, it is simple to understand: with a wing, all its forces goes through your arms. If a wing was efficient, it would create a lot of force and you would need a harness.

Wings have a lot of advantages over windsurfing sails, but for now low wing range is not one of them yet.


Thanks Colas

Camarillo
204 posts
9 Aug 2019 4:22AM
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Actually, it is simple to understand: with a wing, all its forces goes through your arms. If a wing was efficient, it would create a lot of force and you would need a harness.





very simple to understand but where go the forces with a windsurf sail? We get flying more easy with a 5m2 duotone wing than with a 5m2 windsurf sail, and we have a lot of windsurf experience...

JB
NSW, 2014 posts
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9 Aug 2019 12:08PM
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Matty took the Naish Wing Surfer out for a glide this morning in some pretty heavy conditions.

Please note: Do not go out in conditions that are above your ability and skill levels. Strong wind Foiling and Winging can be difficult.

Enjoy,



Ride safe,

JB

Gorgo
VIC, 4272 posts
9 Aug 2019 2:55PM
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Looks like he sailed off into the sunset. Would have been nice to see him turn around and come back. I hope he's alright.

Seajuice
NSW, 520 posts
9 Aug 2019 8:20PM
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JB said..
Matty took the Naish Wing Surfer out for a glide this morning in some pretty heavy conditions.

Please note: Do not go out in conditions that are above your ability and skill levels. Strong wind Foiling and Winging can be difficult.

Enjoy,



Ride safe,

JB


Nice winging! I thought about giving it ago in the same conditions this morning too. But I would've had to find a cruise ship for a lift back.

mikesids
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11 Aug 2019 4:28PM
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JB said..
Matty took the Naish Wing Surfer out for a glide this morning in some pretty heavy conditions.

Please note: Do not go out in conditions that are above your ability and skill levels. Strong wind Foiling and Winging can be difficult.

Enjoy,



Ride safe,

JB


Hey JB,
Getting to grips with my Wing Surfer , have a couple of questions for you if that's OK - might be handy info for everyone. Have had some foiling runs after two goes so far (both quite windy). Pretty happy that I have been able to get up and foiling after only two sessions ( port tack only in session 1 , and long runs on both tacks second time out) - have previous kitefoil and Sup foil experience , but this is a pretty short learning curve compared to windsurfing, kitesurfing, and all forms of foiling which makes it pretty unique I reckon.

- my go-to hand positions are second one from the front and third from the back as I think you might be previously mentioned, seems to give the best balance overall. When you are at the wing's top end though, do you use different handles ( wider grip , or narrower grip ?).

- also do you change foil wings depending on the board size and wind strength? I have been learning on a 7'6 x 130L foil sup with the Axis 102 so far, what wing size would you use for the bottom end of the Wing Surfer, mid range , and top end? Do you use a smaller wing with a smaller board ( less mass for the foil to lift ?).

- finally , after using it for a bit now what do you reckon the comfortable top end is for the Wing Surfer ? ( I am 80kg). I am not talking survival conditions ( wing flapping like a sheet) , I am talking " windy but still in control" conditions.

Thanks a lot in advance. It is still so early in this whole thing that a lot of the information simply doesn't exist yet ( board size / foil wing size / hand held wing size / body weight combination) so we are relying a lot on those folk who have had the most experience.

Cheers

JB
NSW, 2014 posts
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12 Aug 2019 7:19AM
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mikesids said..

JB said..
Matty took the Naish Wing Surfer out for a glide this morning in some pretty heavy conditions.

Please note: Do not go out in conditions that are above your ability and skill levels. Strong wind Foiling and Winging can be difficult.

Enjoy,



Ride safe,

JB



Hey JB,
Getting to grips with my Wing Surfer , have a couple of questions for you if that's OK - might be handy info for everyone. Have had some foiling runs after two goes so far (both quite windy). Pretty happy that I have been able to get up and foiling after only two sessions ( port tack only in session 1 , and long runs on both tacks second time out) - have previous kitefoil and Sup foil experience , but this is a pretty short learning curve compared to windsurfing, kitesurfing, and all forms of foiling which makes it pretty unique I reckon.

- my go-to hand positions are second one from the front and third from the back as I think you might be previously mentioned, seems to give the best balance overall. When you are at the wing's top end though, do you use different handles ( wider grip , or narrower grip ?).

- also do you change foil wings depending on the board size and wind strength? I have been learning on a 7'6 x 130L foil sup with the Axis 102 so far, what wing size would you use for the bottom end of the Wing Surfer, mid range , and top end? Do you use a smaller wing with a smaller board ( less mass for the foil to lift ?).

- finally , after using it for a bit now what do you reckon the comfortable top end is for the Wing Surfer ? ( I am 80kg). I am not talking survival conditions ( wing flapping like a sheet) , I am talking " windy but still in control" conditions.

Thanks a lot in advance. It is still so early in this whole thing that a lot of the information simply doesn't exist yet ( board size / foil wing size / hand held wing size / body weight combination) so we are relying a lot on those folk who have had the most experience.

Cheers


Hey Mike,

Good Q's.

- My goto handles are also the 2nd from the front and 3rd from the back. This is comfortable reaching for me. 8 - 20kn. Unwind if I am on a mission I move my front hand back to the 3rd from the front and when on the foil I lift my back arm higher and force the wing into the rail of the board "closing the gap" theoretically. Coming off the wind I will sometimes move my front hand to the front handle, but this is dependant on wind strength and speeds. Let's use F and B for ease of position explaination (ie. 2F is second from front and 3B is 3rd from Back). I have just Wing'd 4 days straight in some pretty gnarly conditions. Thursday I rode in the ocean in a strong Westerly, usual near dead lulls, but when the wind was on it was around 20-30+kn. I used the 2F and 3B for the entire session except some of the bigger gusts where I went 1F and 2B. Then I rode Friday on Narrabeen Lakes in ridiculous conditions, observations recorded gusts in the 40's while I was out (I had to sit these gusts out holding my gear to the water), but in the stronger gusts again I rode 1F and 2B. Saturday I did an awesome Upwind Wing then DW Foil in strong 20-30kn in Broken Bay. There I pretty much used 2F and 2B with the odd 1F in big gusts. Then Sunday I did the same run again but the wind was lighter using 2F and 2B all the time. So in general I find reaching and easy comfortable sailing I use 2F and 3B. When the grunt is on and I need more back hand I go 2F and 2B. If I am "racing" upwind, I go 3F and 3B. When I am getting smoked or baring away in strong winds, 1F and anywhere I can get my back hand. I hope this helps and not confuse. Everyone will be slightly different, but the way the wing balances shouldn't be far off what I find comfortable.

- Yes, I change foil wings all the time! Same sessions as above, I rode the WS1150 with 320 Stab on the Thursday and Friday. It was su0per windy and I was simply reaching and going "fast". The WS1150 wing is amazing at controlling lift and being easier to set altitude. The Sat and Sun as I was grunting upwind then packing down and Foiling DW, I used the massive JET 2450 and 450 Stab. Even though it was ridiculously windy, the gear was surprisingly easy to use. But coming back to real world, I prefer to use the JET 1650 (XL). This wing offers the best lift to speed ratio. I can get going in light winds and go fast in strong. The 2000 (XXL) is also good, but limiting in top end speed. I would use the 2000 if I know it not going to get above 12kn. I also change up the Stab, 320 if he wind is constant and I won't be pumping much, or 450 on the 2000 if it's light and holey.

- Apart from the conditions I have mentioned above, the Wing is in it's element from 12-20kn. I find I can get going in under 10kn and can survive in over 30kn, but for general pleasure cruising that 12-20kn is really where it is all at.

You mention board size, and this is also valid. I have tried a lot and there is advantages and disadvantages alike in length. For learning going a little longer and riding in more wind (15kn) will be easier than going short and trying to ride in 10kn. I really enjoy using the Hover SUP 120 which is 7'4' x 30" @ 120L. It's easy, fast and get up on the foil with ease without pumping. I do ride the Hover Foil 110 as my go to though, it's small enough that I can pump it up in nothing, it's what I like to SUP, I can set up the foil position to be neutral. The Hover Foil 95L is amazing on a good day, but I find the extra hassles of balance and stuffing around after a crash make it frustrating when everything is cactus. End of the day, using what you would comfortable use every day is good. It's probably where you are going to end up, maybe try bigger for your first session or 2, but really there is no need to buy a whole other board just to Wing on. The beauty is in the simplicity. One wing, one board, all conditions - Powered by Nature.

I hope this helps. I will post some stats from my UW/DW journey in a new post soon or check out our socials for the run down of how it all went as it was amazing and definitely a glimpse at the future for sure.

Ride safe,

JB

JB
NSW, 2014 posts
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12 Aug 2019 7:56AM
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So we tried something incredibly cool this weekend and it was even more fun than I had imagined.

Saturday Andy and I set off from Station beach at Nth Palm and Wing Surfed up the Flint and Steel in Broken Bay. There we landed on the beach, de-rigged the Wing Surfer and proceeded to DW foil back. Conditions were nothing short of amazing. A super successful test run and look forward to going further next time. Super easy, no drop offs or car shuffles, on a good day you could easily do 2 or 3 runs.

Here is some stats and pics.

WingSurfers rigged and ready.

Hover 110 with Jet 2450/450/75 &
Hover 95 with Jet 2000/450/85.

Paddles attached securely.

The upwind leg. Smoking angles.

The DW foil. Epic til the wind went SW. but for 3+km we barely paddled or pumped. Definitely the best DW conditions I have ridden to date.

Here is the DW foil taking away the off foil part at the end due to the wind shift.

This is the future. It was soo fun. Can't wait to do this again. This was a nasty and gusty westerly where you likely would bother trying to ride on anything and we had a ride to remember. Just epic!

100% Powered by Nature.

Ride safe,

JB



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