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Wind Wings

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Created by Seajuice 1 month ago, 19 Apr 2019
Piros
QLD, 5442 posts
Wednesday , 12 Jun 2019 1:18PM
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Finally got my hands on one but by the time it was my turn wind dropped. Pretty impressed by the crew in front of me , we were at the broadwater wind against tide ( perfect for foiling ) 15-18 kn . All the guys who were Goofy pretty well got straight up and foiled across the other side a few struggled on the way back but all made it back and few guys just killed it . Putting together some really good vision of Guys riding toe side really well.

The boom feels really good and the window is great , can't say it's better or worse than other brands this is the only one I've seen. Yes I am getting one.

They start at 2m for $1,039 , 3 & 4m $1,119 & 5m $1,279 can order from SurFx now..




JEG
VIC, 1150 posts
Wednesday , 12 Jun 2019 1:32PM
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nice one Piros and what size wing you think best to begin on?

Gorgo
VIC, 4188 posts
Wednesday , 12 Jun 2019 1:33PM
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Just my two cents, if the wind wing ends up being useful then that makes SUP foils more attractive. You can then use the SUP foil in waves or flat water with wind. Ideally you could get out every day there is waves or wind.

If you get that amount of time up on a foil you're going to get seriously comfortable being there. All those semi-stationary pivot gybes are easy with the right size foil and a kite to lean on.

My 4m surf kite packs into it's bag in a bundle about the size of a pack of A4 paper. That sounds a lot more appealing to me than having a wing and a boom in a long sausage bag. On the other hand, if you're lugging a SUP foil board and paddle around then it's no big deal to have another long thin thing to throw in the car. I guess it depends on your priorities and how you intend to use your gear.

What I want to see is the ultimate crossover board that I can take anywhere and do anything on. Basically a SUP foil board I can wind wing or kite foil on, then SUP surf on, or remove the foil and add some fins as a high volume prone surfboard for small waves and shallow beach breaks.

Piros
QLD, 5442 posts
Wednesday , 12 Jun 2019 1:38PM
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JEG said..
nice one Piros and what size wing you think best to begin on?




You'll get most use from a 5m in my opinion , that one in the pic is a 4.

Piros
QLD, 5442 posts
Wednesday , 12 Jun 2019 2:51PM
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This is Guys very first run pretty impressive , he is on a Sunova 6-0 DW sup with the new Axis 900 wing on a 750 mast. Duotone 4m , wind 15kn gusting to 18kn.

JEG
VIC, 1150 posts
Wednesday , 12 Jun 2019 3:16PM
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impressive indeed and what size board, foil, wing and the cool rider?

Piros
QLD, 5442 posts
Wednesday , 12 Jun 2019 3:20PM
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That's Guy from SurfFx , he is on a Sunova 6-0 DW sup with the new Axis 900 wing on a 750 mast.

Falco
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Wednesday , 12 Jun 2019 3:04PM
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Piros said..
Finally got my hands on one but by the time it was my turn wind dropped. Pretty impressed by the crew in front of me , we were at the broadwater wind against tide ( perfect for foiling ) 15-18 kn . All the guys who were Goofy pretty well got straight up and foiled across the other side a few struggled on the way back but all made it back and few guys just killed it . Putting together some really good vision of Guys riding toe side really well.

The boom feels really good and the window is great , can't say it's better or worse than other brands this is the only one I've seen. Yes I am getting one.

They start at 2m for $1,039 , 3 & 4m $1,119 & 5m $1,279 can order from SurFx now..





The rrp tho

Seajuice
NSW, 424 posts
Wednesday , 13 Jun 2019 12:51AM
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Nice riding Guy! Making it look too easy ha! I think I'll start on the paddleboard first before the foil. I want to get back to where I started from.
Thanks Piros.

ninjatuna
30 posts
Thursday , 12 Jun 2019 11:52PM
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Hey Gorgo,

They are pushing the 4 in 1 hypernut as the one board that can do everything. You can see at about 9:15 in the video the guy kite foiling the hypernut.

juandesooka
236 posts
Thursday , 13 Jun 2019 4:39AM
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Gorgo said..
What I want to see is the ultimate crossover board that I can take anywhere and do anything on. Basically a SUP foil board I can wind wing or kite foil on, then SUP surf on, or remove the foil and add some fins as a high volume prone surfboard for small waves and shallow beach breaks.


Ye Olde Hybrid Dilemma ... the board that does everything ok, but does nothing particularly well. ;-)

At home, I travel with 5-6 boards on any given beach day, covering kite, surf, sup, foil options. I needed a sprinter van to hold them all and yes I probably have low level undiagnosed ADHD. Half kidding: for me it's about having all the toys, using whatever works best that day...the ABAG Rule, "always bring all gear". And that's why I need to figure out something for a wing, remembering that day last year where I was sup foiling until it got windy enough to kite, got a super long ride and then had a 20 minute miserable paddle back into the wind ... with a wing in hand to zip me back to the peak, and then add on a few more of those long sup foil rides, I'd give up a part of a kite session for I reckon. [the peak I was on is generally not kiteable, wind shadow/gusty]

But I digress, for travel, I want to maximize fun potential with minimal gear. I got a vanguard 5.6 with a 4 in 1 in mind: small enough to kitesurf or kitefoil, would work for surf foil, and I could potentially regular surf it in a stretch (maybe not well, but maybe just doable). I haven't yet put in tracks, but still toying with the idea.

Those hypernuts are pretty good boards, buddy has one. Though I'd say it's 4 in 1 for it potential substitutes windfoil and windsurfing for surf foil or paddle surfing. So depends what you're after.

FoilColorado
9 posts
Thursday , 13 Jun 2019 5:33AM
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Just spoke with Naish USA

Slight delay on wingsurfer delivery on preorder first round.

He said early to mid July.

anyone tried the Takuma ZK foil SUP board?

loyal

Gorgo
VIC, 4188 posts
Thursday , 13 Jun 2019 8:03AM
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I think all the crossover boards start off with surfing in mind then add foiling capabilities. Wind wings give the opportunity to turn that around and start with foiling as the main goal. Chances are 80-90% of sessions you have are going to be foiling.

If there's wind or waves and water depth then you can foil. As a last resort with no wind, tiny waves and shallow water then whack in some fins and go for a bit of a surf. I'm not talking high performance surfing. Just trim along, do a couple of turns, paddle out for another go.

FoilColorado
9 posts
Thursday , 13 Jun 2019 6:09AM
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It's a pure foil board, the ZK.

no fin boxes, no surfing

JEG
VIC, 1150 posts
Thursday , 13 Jun 2019 9:34AM
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Ye Olde Hybrid Dilemma ... the board that does everything ok, but does nothing particularly well. ;-)


everything okay is good enough for me

Gorgo
VIC, 4188 posts
Thursday , 13 Jun 2019 11:32AM
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I guess part of the dilemma is the newness of surf foiling and wind wings and stuff. If wind wings make foiling more accessible then there is no real need to have a crossover surfboard thing. Simply foil all the time and have a dedicated surf board for those perfect surf days or too shallow to foil breaks.

It's a bit of a pain throwing an 8-9' SUP into the car for a quick trip down to the surf, especially if conditions are less than ideal. Maybe less of a pain to throw a 6'6" surfboard and a high volume 6'6" SUP foil board and a wind wing. Many times on recent surf trips I've pulled out the 6'6" high volume surfboard because it's been too windy to SUP surf, or the surf too small and water too shallow to care about getting SUP surf rides.

Piros
QLD, 5442 posts
Thursday , 13 Jun 2019 12:45PM
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You'll find the better you get at foiling the less you actually surf. As your skills raise so does your ability to foil waves you couldn't before plus you won't want to foil on a cross over board but a dedicated foil board. A cross over prone board would work well with a dedicated Sup foil board to cover all bases when traveling.

colas
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Thursday , 13 Jun 2019 8:44PM
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Piros said..
You'll find the better you get at foiling the less you actually surf.


I think it depends a lot of where you live, and how constrained is your time on the water.

If you live in an area with crowded surf spots, or mainly crappy waves, or can only get out on week ends, foiling - and I guess Wingfoiling - will be an invaluable tool for enjoying being on the water. I guess it may be the same kind of "youth potion" that SUP has been for a lot of people.

juandesooka
236 posts
Thursday , 13 Jun 2019 9:58PM
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Youth potion....nice. For me, SUP, kiting, and now foiling have all been successive stoke injections for a middle age surfer tired of jostling in the crowd and also with a bad case of "all time disease" (seen it at its best so many days that average crowded days are no fun any more).

Foiling is the latest obsession and its like an affair...just cant get enough. Guaranteed fun even when the waves suck. Surfer prozac. (And as my wife says..for a mid life crisis its cheaper than a harley or a mistress, and I'm in better shape than usual too with the hours on the water)

I have hopes the wing may expand this even further. Having this much fun should be illegal. Maybe my head will explode. Boom.

colas
3191 posts
Friday , 14 Jun 2019 12:57AM
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FYI, Gong wings are orderable now (limited quantities) on their shop. Delivery early July.

3m / 5m / 7m starting at 399 EUR (USD 450, AUD 650)

juandesooka
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Friday , 14 Jun 2019 1:51AM
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colas said..
FYI, Gong wings are orderable now (limited quantities) on their shop. Delivery early July.

3m / 5m / 7m starting at 399 EUR (USD 450, AUD 650)


Nice! The 5m is 499, 7m 599
Non Euro buyers get VAT removed, so -20% I think. Which probably roughly pays for shipping.
Dang....still comes to $900Cdn....exchange is a bitch

gongsupshop.com/epages/box1707.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/box1707/Products/GON0WING/SubProducts/GON0WING5R

JEG
VIC, 1150 posts
Friday , 14 Jun 2019 7:48AM
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colas said..
FYI, Gong wings are orderable now (limited quantities) on their shop. Delivery early July.

3m / 5m / 7m starting at 399 EUR (USD 450, AUD 650)


cheers colas
thats like half the price on other brand$
makes me wanna buy 2 size wings to cover all conditions
who's up for a bulk shipping to OZ?

colas
3191 posts
Friday , 14 Jun 2019 2:24PM
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who's up for a bulk shipping to OZ?


Don't wait too much... 50 wings were sold in 3 hours...

colas
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Friday , 14 Jun 2019 2:25PM
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Delivery early July.


Ooops, it seems more mid july (plus the shipping from France).

DavidJohn
VIC, 16128 posts
Friday , 14 Jun 2019 6:47PM
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I've heard the Naish Wings are shipping now.

Seajuice
NSW, 424 posts
Friday , 14 Jun 2019 9:26PM
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I would still like to see a comparison review between most wings. So far seeing different advantages between them.

colas
3191 posts
Friday , 14 Jun 2019 7:51PM
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While we are at it, the Gong wings have battens, but they are optional as you can sail without them (they improve the range in higher winds). Also they are flexible and can be rolled to fit in the bag. They are the same ones as the ones used on "strutless" kite wings.

colas
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Friday , 14 Jun 2019 7:55PM
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Seajuice said..
I would still like to see a comparison review between most wings. So far seeing different advantages between them.



I think it will be like what happened for the SUP foils:
- better be on the water early to gain experience rather than wait for reviews. Any foil was better than no foil. Buy what is available. It will resell easily in any case.
- technique will progress, early reviews are not really meaningful as testers do not have yet enough experience to offer relevant advice.
- if you are not sure, or low on budget, you can wait: the gear will become cheaper (2nd hand) and better (2nd generation)

Paddlezz
37 posts
Friday , 14 Jun 2019 8:51PM
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IMO this Wings are aerodynamical highly complicated things. Interesting to see how different brands follow different concepts and deals between easy peasy and performance orientating.
Its about the wing construction wich influence more or less the changing of the dihedral angle (reduce the projected surface) and releasing or keeping pressure on the trailing edge.
Colas is right "better be on the water early to gain experience rather than wait for (lousy ) reviews."

juandesooka
236 posts
Friday , 14 Jun 2019 10:28PM
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Crap....this "support group" is eroding my plan to wait until version 2.0, reviews, used ones, etc, as Colas said. That's the smart play. But it would be so much more fun to just sign on the line for a real good time. I should probably spend more time on the kiteforum instead, get negatroned by all the grumps and haters over there.

I've asked Gong for a shipping quote, so's I know what I am in for. And then the tough question of which size. I see the most potential use for this, for me, is lighter wind, where surf kiting is marginal or doesn't work, and where the sup foiling is fun. The 7m might be ideal for that. The secondary hope is downwinding in swells, and there's only swells if it's really windy....so the smaller ones are better for that.

In other words, same problem with foil wings too. For that I went with the biggest wing I could get, as it was fundamentally about foiling unsurfable waves. Then I got 2 more wings later for bigger waves. So if this catches on, that's probably the answer here too, LOL

Arghggh, first world problems



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