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Created by bigmtn 4 months ago, 28 Jan 2020
Alysum
NSW, 459 posts
31 Mar 2020 9:23PM
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Yes I don't know why the 101 is so hard to get in AU....

Is the 1000 hard to get up and going ? Especially on a SUP or light winds winging ? (I'm 81Kg)

DWF
187 posts
31 Mar 2020 7:20PM
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COVID is why you can't get the 1010.

The 102 went from a foil I immediately took of, when the wind came up, to a wing I love, and ride most of the time, when I got a much faster Gen2 wing ding.

vishy
WA, 451 posts
1 Apr 2020 7:17PM
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Tightlines is right the 1000 is pretty epic on the wingding, so quick, and a much slower stall speed than the 900.

I currently have the 900 and the 101, 900 is pretty sick but needs to be ridden fast, and when it stalls at slow speeds it's pretty aggressive and the nose of the board drops quite suddenly.

101 is pretty sweet, glides on almost anything, doesn't quite have the top end of the 1000 though I don't think. e.g. the 1000 was so quick you could accelerate down a bump and have so much speed you would ride up the back of the next bump and overtake it, just seems to keep going at crazy speed, but has good low end too, the 101 will do it but it has a touch more drag/slower top end then the 1000.

If I could pick one of them atm probably the 1000 for versatility, or 101 if you could get ahold of it if you wanted to do paddle downwinders too.

Alysum
NSW, 459 posts
2 Apr 2020 10:17AM
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What board are you guys mostly using for winging with an Axis HA wing ?

tightlines
WA, 3267 posts
2 Apr 2020 11:56AM
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Alysum said..
What board are you guys mostly using for winging with an Axis HA wing ?


I'm on the 5'10 ONE, so good.

Alysum
NSW, 459 posts
2 Apr 2020 11:44PM
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tightlines said..

Alysum said..
What board are you guys mostly using for winging with an Axis HA wing ?



I'm on the 5'10 ONE, so good.



You mean F one rocket?

Fanatic have released a dedicated wing foil board but it looks like for advanced riders.

tightlines
WA, 3267 posts
3 Apr 2020 9:38AM
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Alysum said..
tightlines said..

Alysum said..
What board are you guys mostly using for winging with an Axis HA wing ?



I'm on the 5'10 ONE, so good.



You mean F one rocket?

Fanatic have released a dedicated wing foil board but it looks like for advanced riders.


No, I meant the brand One, it's not actually a wing specific board at all and I bought it mainly for surfing and down winding but it works fine for winging.



www.oneoceansports.com/foil-board-downwind-prone

I have to admit the dedicated wing foil boards from F-One and Fanatic look great and for purely winging would be the way to go I'm sure.

vishy
WA, 451 posts
3 Apr 2020 5:58PM
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Yeh I ended up on the same board, it's pretty sweet, gives great control over the foil.

Anything under 6'0" and less than 6.5kg should be sweet, keeping the weight down is critical.

eppo
WA, 7525 posts
4 Apr 2020 6:50AM
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Cut just before it turns up
Turns better, and recovers from tail breach
I did cut a smaller one but didn't like it. Although that was a while ago and I have been trying to pump like keahi with feet closer and slower so I should try it again




So you can pump out back on the 680?? I've got the 680 and 900 and only now can pump out on the 900. Can't see how the hell you do it on a 680?

hey Jedibrad got any vids on Keahi showing these feet closer together with a slower pump? Reason is my son is just being able to pump out back but his feet are too wide apart (hence doesn't get there as often as he'd like) and he won't listen to me obviously. And also for me to watch of course. I've got a bung shoulder and to pump out back consistently is my major goal.


also (and a really dumb question) what tool you guys using to "cut" these back wings down and what do you use to clean up the cut edge ? Thinking of cutting back my 440.

loving this thread !!!

Alysum
NSW, 459 posts
4 Apr 2020 10:08AM
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Are there any kite foilers here who took up winging? I'm curious to know how much volume you needed for your first winging board. A SUP or could one go straight to a winging specific board?

DWF
187 posts
4 Apr 2020 7:09AM
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Are there any kite foilers here who took up winging? I'm curious to know how much volume you needed for your first winging board. A SUP or could one go straight to a winging specific board?


Watch this

StephenZ
VIC, 10 posts
4 Apr 2020 7:06PM
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DWF said..

Alysum said..
Are there any kite foilers here who took up winging? I'm curious to know how much volume you needed for your first winging board. A SUP or could one go straight to a winging specific board?



Watch this



The point of leaning on the wing to stabilise yourself as you get into the balanced kneeling position is very helpful.

Alysum
NSW, 459 posts
4 Apr 2020 9:26PM
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DWF said..

Alysum said..
Are there any kite foilers here who took up winging? I'm curious to know how much volume you needed for your first winging board. A SUP or could one go straight to a winging specific board?



Watch this



Good information. Since I am aiming for lighter winds, I think a SUP makes more sense. I've read that BW + 40Kg is where to start so at 80Kg I should aim for a 120L SUP

bigtone667
NSW, 1199 posts
5 Apr 2020 8:25AM
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Alysum said..

DWF said..


Alysum said..
Are there any kite foilers here who took up winging? I'm curious to know how much volume you needed for your first winging board. A SUP or could one go straight to a winging specific board?




Watch this




Good information. Since I am aiming for lighter winds, I think a SUP makes more sense. I've read that BW + 40Kg is where to start so at 80Kg I should aim for a 120L SUP


You might start at 120L but you will end up closer to 95L as you sort at your technique.

I am 105kg and I run a 125L for lightwind and 95L for higher wind conditions.

The challenge is all about setting the wind into the wing. Whether you start standing, kneeling or sinking, once you get wind into the wing, balance is pretty easy.

Jedibrad
NSW, 507 posts
7 Apr 2020 2:12PM
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eppo said..

Jedibrad said..
Cut just before it turns up
Turns better, and recovers from tail breach
I did cut a smaller one but didn't like it. Although that was a while ago and I have been trying to pump like keahi with feet closer and slower so I should try it again





So you can pump out back on the 680?? I've got the 680 and 900 and only now can pump out on the 900. Can't see how the hell you do it on a 680?

hey Jedibrad got any vids on Keahi showing these feet closer together with a slower pump? Reason is my son is just being able to pump out back but his feet are too wide apart (hence doesn't get there as often as he'd like) and he won't listen to me obviously. And also for me to watch of course. I've got a bung shoulder and to pump out back consistently is my major goal.


also (and a really dumb question) what tool you guys using to "cut" these back wings down and what do you use to clean up the cut edge ? Thinking of cutting back my 440.

loving this thread !!!


No, I can only pump the 680 one wave back max after pulling off the first wave at a decent speed.
I won't put a link up for keahi because if you don't follow his insta you are crazy. If you don't have insta borrow some one else's for a day. It's a pumping style which is way slower, you trust the glide and because you move your feet closer you use the power of both legs to pump, it's a bit of a mental challenge. I cut my axis foils with a hacksaw, quick sand then solar res epoxy 5 min job. I feel the heavier you are the more stab area you need.

I took my Sup out this morn with the 75 in some 4ft drops, my stab cavitated a few times, this wouldn't have happened with the 900 as the lift on it is manageable. I can't stand not being able to lay over the 900 so I have decided to cut its tips off, just have to man up and do it, I'm 90% sure it will be mad.

Camarillo
264 posts
7 Apr 2020 12:39PM
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Jedibrad said.. I cut my axis foils with a hacksaw, quick sand then solar res epoxy 5 min job. I feel the heavier you are the more stab area you need.

I took my Sup out this morn with the 75 in some 4ft drops, my stab cavitated a few times, this wouldn't have happened with the 900 as the lift on it is manageable. I can't stand not being able to lay over the 900 so I have decided to cut its tips off, just have to man up and do it, I'm 90% sure it will be mad.


Do you use solar rez epoxy because there is foam exposed after cutting?

What do you think is the reason that you can't lay over the 900?
Is 900 mm just too wide?

Piros
QLD, 5851 posts
7 Apr 2020 5:10PM
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Yes that's exactly right if you lay the 900 over to far it just wants to keep rolling over and you can't bring it back . The angle gets all wrong , the lifting force starts pushing the foil over not up loosing your lift . The 900 is actually a wind foil wing and was never designed for surfing. Adrian from Axis actually cut one and made it M shaped to help turn but it didn't work . There is surf wings in R&D but they have a massive back log on 900 , 1000 , 1010's plus all the new rear wings , so it won't happen fast as they are struggling to fill these orders due to the huge demand.

frenchfoiler
151 posts
7 Apr 2020 4:14PM
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I love my 900 but to be honest I haven't try many surf style foil lately, for me it is a good alround foil but I agree I feel I'm limited, can't do what I would like to, but it is me or the foil ??? I guess to figure out I will need to try different foils.
But I like HA wing, so much forgiving for take of, good speed.
Let's see if Axis can come back with a new surf version of the 900 ???

Jedibrad
NSW, 507 posts
8 Apr 2020 5:04PM
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Camarillo said..

Jedibrad said.. I cut my axis foils with a hacksaw, quick sand then solar res epoxy 5 min job. I feel the heavier you are the more stab area you need.

I took my Sup out this morn with the 75 in some 4ft drops, my stab cavitated a few times, this wouldn't have happened with the 900 as the lift on it is manageable. I can't stand not being able to lay over the 900 so I have decided to cut its tips off, just have to man up and do it, I'm 90% sure it will be mad.



Do you use solar rez epoxy because there is foam exposed after cutting?

What do you think is the reason that you can't lay over the 900?
Is 900 mm just too wide?


Because it's in my garage and carbon is generally with epoxy

The 900 is 900 wide the tips poke thru the surface earlier.
I've heard a few theories but for some reason the flatter the foil the more it tolerates a surface breach during a hard turn.

I need this foil to be less grabby as I have to nurse it through turns, I'm a bit over pumping around and resting on the wave, it's fun but I'd rather be turning harder wrapping cutties and linking two waves only

toppleover
QLD, 1661 posts
8 Apr 2020 5:26PM
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I also loved my 900 for it's pump but couldn't do what I wanted to when on a wave. Now I'm on a 1550 & it's so much fun being able to really surf the wave & still be able to connect waves.
It will be very interesting to hear how the chopped 900 goes keep us posted if you do it please.

Alysum
NSW, 459 posts
9 Apr 2020 2:21PM
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What do you guys think of the following combo for winging: Fanatic 6"3/27"/106L with Axis 1000/400 short fuselage. I'm 80Kg with kite foiling experience. Or should I size up the Fanatic for more volume?

Piros
QLD, 5851 posts
9 Apr 2020 4:03PM
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The Fanatic 6-3 is what I ride in 87kg for me it's great , the only time I ride the 6-7 is big thumping down wind wing foiling . I find the 6-7 easier to start and when you are flying straight DW that little bit of extra length is a life saver saver charging down through big troughs. Being on the prone for almost a couple of years I lost a bit of my Sup balance , so the 6-7 is a good back up. It's slowly coming back so the 6-3 is pretty well all I use now. Plenty guys my same size are riding much shorter but I don't find that bit of extra length a disadvantage and yeah the 1000 & 400 on short fuse great combo , can't go wrong .

Alysum
NSW, 459 posts
9 Apr 2020 4:08PM
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The Fanatic 6-3 is what I ride in 87kg for me it's great , the only time I ride the 6-7 is big thumping down wind wing foiling . I find the 6-7 easier to start and when you are flying straight DW that little bit of extra length is a life saver saver charging down through big troughs. Being on the prone for almost a couple of years I lost a bit of my Sup balance , so the 6-7 is a good back up. It's slowly coming back so the 6-3 is pretty well all I use now. Plenty guys my same size are riding much shorter but I don't find that bit of extra length a disadvantage and yeah the 1000 & 400 on short fuse great combo , can't go wrong .


Cheers, do you use the 6"3 for SUPing too ? It's tricky to decide whether to favour the board for winging at the expense of SUPing or the other way round (i.e. 6"11), as both require the opposite for length.

Piros
QLD, 5851 posts
9 Apr 2020 4:55PM
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Yes the 6-3 is what I Sup foil on , it's perfect for that . Sup foiling you need to go as small as you can go. You really need to reduce swing weight and extra length for the pump and less wind resistance.

Alysum
NSW, 459 posts
9 Apr 2020 5:14PM
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Yes the 6-3 is what I Sup foil on , it's perfect for that . Sup foiling you need to go as small as you can go. You really need to reduce swing weight and extra length for the pump and less wind resistance.


Very cool video!

I'm not mega fit and paddling up on a short board requires a lot of strength

Piros
QLD, 5851 posts
9 Apr 2020 6:49PM
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Not fitness just balance , pick your days . The foil is like a keel keeps you stable .

JimmyXi
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9 Apr 2020 10:43PM
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Yes the 6-3 is what I Sup foil on , it's perfect for that . Sup foiling you need to go as small as you can go. You really need to reduce swing weight and extra length for the pump and less wind resistance.


Rob, That music track also makes you want to look at it multiple times - a perfect choice to raise the tempo. The ladies in the scow were ogling you guys rather then you-them, and others 'sitting still' came to mind as you stretched it out. Excellent. Good for you.

Jimmy

Piros
QLD, 5851 posts
10 Apr 2020 10:10AM
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Thanks Jimmy the DMA's one of my favourites. I posted this on Instagram and commented how well the sweep (the guy at the back ) did so well to keep the boat straight as we gave him no room . Turns out that was our 2 time National champion female boat crew from Northcliffe . They loved the video and reposted it everywhere . Great bunch of girls and what a great way to meet them on a wave

eppo
WA, 7525 posts
10 Apr 2020 4:02PM
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Jedibrad said..

eppo said..


Jedibrad said..
Cut just before it turns up
Turns better, and recovers from tail breach
I did cut a smaller one but didn't like it. Although that was a while ago and I have been trying to pump like keahi with feet closer and slower so I should try it again






So you can pump out back on the 680?? I've got the 680 and 900 and only now can pump out on the 900. Can't see how the hell you do it on a 680?

hey Jedibrad got any vids on Keahi showing these feet closer together with a slower pump? Reason is my son is just being able to pump out back but his feet are too wide apart (hence doesn't get there as often as he'd like) and he won't listen to me obviously. And also for me to watch of course. I've got a bung shoulder and to pump out back consistently is my major goal.


also (and a really dumb question) what tool you guys using to "cut" these back wings down and what do you use to clean up the cut edge ? Thinking of cutting back my 440.

loving this thread !!!



No, I can only pump the 680 one wave back max after pulling off the first wave at a decent speed.
I won't put a link up for keahi because if you don't follow his insta you are crazy. If you don't have insta borrow some one else's for a day. It's a pumping style which is way slower, you trust the glide and because you move your feet closer you use the power of both legs to pump, it's a bit of a mental challenge. I cut my axis foils with a hacksaw, quick sand then solar res epoxy 5 min job. I feel the heavier you are the more stab area you need.

I took my Sup out this morn with the 75 in some 4ft drops, my stab cavitated a few times, this wouldn't have happened with the 900 as the lift on it is manageable. I can't stand not being able to lay over the 900 so I have decided to cut its tips off, just have to man up and do it, I'm 90% sure it will be mad.


Ah thanks for that man. I will get my son into it. Connected up my first wave yesterday and can at least pump out back. Thinking though a shorter fuse and smaller back wing can only help (on the long one and 440). My son on his konrad to not be outdone connected up two waves the little prick about 10 minutes later

i will borrow his Instagram to have a look at how keahi does it but yeh just by moving my back foot forward to pump out back has made a big difference already.
I am finding the 900 quite unmanageable as well now during tight angled carves. You've really got to go from high to really low into the carve all it's all over red rover. Also you have to take a fairly wide arc over the back of the wave to pump back out again or same same. So you can end up well off another wave coming through. More practise practise practise
anyhow time to see what this close feet together pumping style is all about.

eppo
WA, 7525 posts
11 Apr 2020 2:24PM
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Hey jedibrad looked at some keahi footage. Ya right feet only shoulder width apart, pretty much the same stance he foils on. But noticed he does indeed pump with both legs. Infact if you watch closely only his back heel slightly rises then falls as both legs pump down. front foot stays flat all the time.

I explored the biomechanics of that and noticed my back heel when pumping always stays in the air. I'm almost pumping on my toes. No wonder I lack drive after the initial speed off the back of the wave.

when trying to pump with both legs and the back heel coming down onto the floor so both legs pumped down at same time I was forced to push forward with my hips more. Hence it drives the foil forward more as you push down with the legs ... hence the glide he gets.
also noticed I tend to point my feet para" to boards rail whilst his feet stay much much in the surf stance and almost perpendicular to the rail still. Hence he is pushing down across the foils width rather than along a smaller axis down the spine of the board. Would give more stability to, to stop yawning over as I do a lot of hit by some chop or a wave.
anyhow thanks man. Got something to work on.



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