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Created by bigmtn 4 months ago, 28 Jan 2020
Piros
QLD, 5852 posts
30 Apr 2020 4:34PM
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Yeah the short is fine , go with what you posted . If you can get one of the old 500 Anhedral rear wings and cut to 390 you won't be far off . I have a chopped down 500 and goes great . Just cut the ends off and seal with epoxy no need to curve the tips . Just rub the epoxy on the cut section with you finger , and give a rub with wet n dry .

Here are some pics of my cut down 500 and I also cut down and rewelded the std fuse and made it a short.











Camarillo
267 posts
30 Apr 2020 4:37PM
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Piros said..
Yeah the short is fine , go with what you posted . If you can get one of the old 500 Anhedral rear wings and cut to 390 you won't be far off .


Thanks, I was thinking to get an ultrashort because I already have an old model short fuze that doesn't fit the carbon mast.
Do you also use a short fuze for prone surfing?

I don't have a 500 to cut down so I am thinking of getting a 370 rear

Piros
QLD, 5852 posts
30 Apr 2020 9:01PM
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Yes use the short on the prone , didn't get the ultra short because of the wing ding , prefer the longer fuse for that . But my prone mates swear by the ultra short & 370 or less . Axis is just one of my rigs and their short is the same as the NP , Takuma , NSP , Naish & GoFoil . The new Cloud 9's have multiple mounts to move the rear forward. Currently testing the new Fanatics and their new fuse is very short. It's where it's all going .

Thatspec
WA, 35 posts
1 May 2020 11:15AM
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390's must have just come in to the US, my order shows shipped as of yesterday. Try sending a message directly through axis.com, they're super quick to respond.

Bazzacuda
NSW, 11 posts
1 May 2020 2:42PM
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Footage from weak 4 second period windswell. 100 front, 370 rear, 680 fuse, 75cm mast. Top speeds have been almost 40km/hr on other days. Runout tide affects the groundspeed as measured by the watch on these two days. It pops up easily, and love the combo on the sup. Have found it easy to control with a bit of size and power also on the paddleboard. Not quite as easy on the prone but have a 900 on the way.

danish
12 posts
4 May 2020 1:52PM
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Sorry if this one was brought up before..

I have the 1000 and when comparing to my friends 1010 it has a much thicker foil. What does this do to e.g low-end speeds? Theoretically thinking, would it go into flymode before/after the 1010 even though the 1010 has slightly bigger area? Thinking of getting the 1010 also but can't get my head around if the wings will be too close together for my quiver. Mainly downwind and surf soft windswells. Sometimes wingding on homemade rig.
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...best would be to try it and compare irl, yes!

baldy123
WA, 61 posts
4 May 2020 2:54PM
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Hey Danish. I have the AXIS 1000 & 101 combo. they are very differently shaped wings, comparing numbers doesn't really tell the whole story. for me at 87kg. 101 for 10-20 knots winging and downwind sup paddling
1000 for Sup surfing up to 1-3ft and winging over 20knots

some pictures to compare






danish
12 posts
4 May 2020 3:34PM
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baldy123 said..
Hey Danish. I have the AXIS 1000 & 101 combo. they are very differently shaped wings, comparing numbers doesn't really tell the whole story. for me at 87kg. 101 for 10-20 knots winging and downwind sup paddling
1000 for Sup surfing up to 1-3ft and winging over 20knots

some pictures to compare








Thanks baldy123! Just what I wanted to know (we are same weight-class also). What rear wings do you use with the 101? 460?

baldy123
WA, 61 posts
4 May 2020 4:44PM
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I've tried the Flat 460 once, but only winging with the 1000 and didn't like it, lacked directional carve-ability. It is very slidey, prefers going straight. My go to tail wing is currently the 400. (plus i have the original 440 collecting dust)
Still trying different combos to work out what works on the 101, as only had this wing out on the water four times.
Hopefully I will demo the 390 anhedral soon to see how that goes.

bigtone667
NSW, 1199 posts
5 May 2020 8:12AM
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baldy123 said..
I've tried the Flat 460 once, but only winging with the 1000 and didn't like it, lacked directional carve-ability. It is very slidey, prefers going straight. My go to tail wing is currently the 400. (plus i have the original 440 collecting dust)
Still trying different combos to work out what works on the 101, as only had this wing out on the water four times.
Hopefully I will demo the 390 anhedral soon to see how that goes.


I was out winging on the 101 and 400 with the ultra short fuselage over the weekend (15knot session and a 25 to 40 knot session). A really fun, fast carving wing (especially on the ultra short fuselage).

Hank1
7 posts
5 May 2020 10:04AM
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Can anyone comment on how the 101 compares to the 92 for getting up DW with a paddle?

Thanks

wicka
VIC, 5 posts
11 May 2020 6:49PM
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I seen some pictures on Instagram of an axis 910. Does anyone have any information on it? Is it the smaller version of the 101? Cheers.

toppleover
QLD, 1665 posts
12 May 2020 5:44AM
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wicka said..
I seen some pictures on Instagram of an axis 910. Does anyone have any information on it? Is it the smaller version of the 101? Cheers.


Yeah, I think it's a smaller 1010 - same as the 900 is to the 1000.

This info is from a well known Axis rider:

"It's a lot smoother, it doesn't buck you around after banking a big turn. I feel I have a lot more confidence coming into turns when I am riding it. It also won't slap down if you end up foiling slow after carving on a wave.
Wing tips popping out with it is not an issue also.
I'm very impressed so far having another go on it tomorrow. I'm hoping to get some footage to put up."

Holoholo
59 posts
16 May 2020 12:47AM
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So... I got my 390 in the mail yesterday and was in the water within an hour to give it a whirl. Pretty crappy conditions, sloppy, bumpy and current all over, surfing inside reform as outside reef was dumping. Have'nt had much water-time in months due to virus shutdowns so pretty rusty. But......

First seconds on my feet could feel the difference. Used it w/ my 4,10 proner, 900+short fuse+ 390. Hard to explain, but just feels balanced, slippery quick, buttery smooth, predictable, on rails... like you can really commit to turns. And... pumps great. So stoked. Love the new 390 stab and can't wait to get dialed in on it.

danish
12 posts
17 May 2020 2:53PM
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Trying to get my head around what the theoretical benefits/differences are between anhedral and dihedral stabs. Can anyone help me

DWF
187 posts
17 May 2020 6:27PM
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danish said..
Trying to get my head around what the theoretical benefits/differences are between anhedral and dihedral stabs. Can anyone help me


Same as airplanes.
Q:How does anhedral or dihedral affect the performance of an aircraft?A:If you look at the front view of a plane you can see the angle that the wings make. If the wing tips are higher than where the wings connect to the plane it is called a dihedral angle, most large airplanes are designed this way. This angle is used to increase roll stability. (This means that if the plane encounters a disturbance is can more easily return to its original position.) Anhedral angles are when the wing tips are lower than the wing base and are used on smaller planes like fighter planes. This angle increases the rollperformance.


Where it get confusing for us, is so many tails are kind of FLAT In the middle, with just the tips flipped up or down. Not really anhedral or dihedral.

frenchfoiler
154 posts
21 May 2020 3:53PM
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I should get pretty soon the new 910, can't wait tro try it. When I tried the 101 on waves it felt pretty nice (a little bit slow but really good glide and turning ability for such a big wing) so we will see how this new wing perform.
The big question is, is it gonna be better than the 900 which I've been my favorite wing for long time now.

I really like the hight aspect wing over surf wing, even I know I loose some surfing performance (especially vertical lines), I like the glide, the speed and the carving trun of the hight aspect wing.

frenchfoiler
154 posts
Saturday , 30 May 2020 3:21PM
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toppleover said..

wicka said..
I seen some pictures on Instagram of an axis 910. Does anyone have any information on it? Is it the smaller version of the 101? Cheers.



Yeah, I think it's a smaller 1010 - same as the 900 is to the 1000.

This info is from a well known Axis rider:

"It's a lot smoother, it doesn't buck you around after banking a big turn. I feel I have a lot more confidence coming into turns when I am riding it. It also won't slap down if you end up foiling slow after carving on a wave.
Wing tips popping out with it is not an issue also.
I'm very impressed so far having another go on it tomorrow. I'm hoping to get some footage to put up."


I tried it on sup and surf.
Definetly more lift than the 900 (as not gradual lift as the 900 but still easy to control). Feels slower at pumping but more efficient especially at lower speed.
On sup a liked it more than the 900, easier to connect multiple wave and to carve.

On surf it is great for small waves, would be too big on bigger wave for me i think. I don't know if it is as fast as the 900 but I but I think so.
The main difference is the lower speed forgivness, lots of glide, effortless. The other main diffrence is the speed you carry throught a carving turn, seems like you can carve harder/longer which gives you that extra speed coming up of you turn.

So as expected it is pretty close to the 900 but it is a better version.
Now I hope they come up with a smaller version for more hight performance surf foiling.

Camarillo
267 posts
Saturday , 30 May 2020 8:27PM
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I hope Axis will hurry up with the S860 and S1150....

All the small stuff is nice for the superfit 75 kg proners but as a 64 yo 85 kg supper and winger I need hydrofoils that come up easy and have a lot of glide. It is also nice if they can handle some speed of course but you cannot have it all I suppose.

flkiter
47 posts
Monday , 1 Jun 2020 6:00AM
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Here's the 910, 1010, and 1150 I've been testing the past month in Florida. 1010 I've had for a while and it became my main use foil. The other two are just as amazing. 910 gives faster speed and tighter turns with less disturbance going over white wash than the 1010. The 1150 is now my main use foil due to my conditions are horrible and it's become my favorite wing for wind wing'ing. I can catch the smallest of white wash with it and then just pump out to the break instead of wasting time paddling out. Great high end speed also so no problem dropping in on steep breaks, very controllable with no blow out. On a wing, super easy to get on foil, almost effortless. I can tear up wind at very high angles and I'm dropping one wing size or skipping wing sizes. Also the jibes and tacks are so easy you can complete both, ride off and then engaged the windwing when ever you feel like it. Also great wind to wave transfer of power feel. I'm riding the 910 and 1010 with the 340 rear and the 1150 with the 370 rear. All on ultra short fuselage. All three foils worked great on sup foiling. The prone guys were loving the 910 and 1010. So get your orders in, these are going to be highly desirable. If you're in Florida, I can get you out to demo them as the beaches start opening.

Alysum
NSW, 460 posts
Monday , 1 Jun 2020 8:21AM
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Very cool! What's the surface area of the 1150?

flkiter
47 posts
Monday , 1 Jun 2020 7:56AM
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When I'm home tomorrow, I'll take a look. I think about 1700. I've found surface area just doesn't compute any more. I've ridden stuff that just blows me away and it's way smaller surface area than what I would think.

frenchfoiler
154 posts
Monday , 1 Jun 2020 3:25PM
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flkiter said..



Here's the 910, 1010, and 1150 I've been testing the past month in Florida. 1010 I've had for a while and it became my main use foil. The other two are just as amazing. 910 gives faster speed and tighter turns with less disturbance going over white wash than the 1010. The 1150 is now my main use foil due to my conditions are horrible and it's become my favorite wing for wind wing'ing. I can catch the smallest of white wash with it and then just pump out to the break instead of wasting time paddling out. Great high end speed also so no problem dropping in on steep breaks, very controllable with no blow out. On a wing, super easy to get on foil, almost effortless. I can tear up wind at very high angles and I'm dropping one wing size or skipping wing sizes. Also the jibes and tacks are so easy you can complete both, ride off and then engaged the windwing when ever you feel like it. Also great wind to wave transfer of power feel. I'm riding the 910 and 1010 with the 340 rear and the 1150 with the 370 rear. All on ultra short fuselage. All three foils worked great on sup foiling. The prone guys were loving the 910 and 1010. So get your orders in, these are going to be highly desirable. If you're in Florida, I can get you out to demo them as the beaches start opening.


Nice, now we need the little sister

Alysum
NSW, 460 posts
Tuesday , 2 Jun 2020 9:08AM
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flkiter said..
When I'm home tomorrow, I'll take a look. I think about 1700. I've found surface area just doesn't compute any more. I've ridden stuff that just blows me away and it's way smaller surface area than what I would think.



I realise that surface area doesn't mean much these days but it's hard to understand on paper how Moses, Fanatic etc... all have HA/fast wings with 2000+ surface area which are popular for winging, and Axis does not. What's the secret with Axis wide HA wings

emmafoils
152 posts
Tuesday , 2 Jun 2020 7:28AM
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Alysum said..

flkiter said..
When I'm home tomorrow, I'll take a look. I think about 1700. I've found surface area just doesn't compute any more. I've ridden stuff that just blows me away and it's way smaller surface area than what I would think.




I realise that surface area doesn't mean much these days but it's hard to understand on paper how Moses, Fanatic etc... all have HA/fast wings with 2000+ surface area which are popular for winging, and Axis does not. What's the secret with Axis wide HA wings


I think the Axis are higher aspect than the larger surface area offerings from Moses. I don't know Fanatic. The Axis 1010 AR is around 7. The Moses 2100 cm wing has an AR of 5.7.

I respect flkiter and his abilities but I disagree. Surface area matters a lot. SA, AR and thickness (volume) are the main determinants of lift. Also be careful about all the praise of the super high AR wings on the market. They perform great for the riders who are experienced but in general are harder to ride well than lower AR wings.

hilly
WA, 5267 posts
Tuesday , 2 Jun 2020 8:29AM
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emmafoils said..They perform great for the riders who are experienced but in general are harder to ride well than lower AR wings.


And lighter foilers who struggle with the lift of lower AR wings.

flkiter
47 posts
Tuesday , 2 Jun 2020 9:24AM
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I think HA foils are not for beginner sup/prone foilers but the 1150 is awesome for beginner wing riders. The HA foils need more technique to get going and tend to go way faster than the LA foils, plus you tend to feel disturbances less with the LA foils. I really like HA foils for my style of riding and conditions. I also rode the two Gul wings coming out and had a great time on them but I don't get the conditions often that make those foils shine.
I've found that I do ride these HA foils a little further back in the tracks. Not all the foils coming out from all the companies will be liked by everyone. Same was for kite foiling. I liked big, slow LA foils for kite but, fast HA for sup and wing. I don't know the secret for sure that Axis has but, I'm having a great time on them.

Camarillo
267 posts
Tuesday , 2 Jun 2020 3:13PM
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Alysum said..I realise that surface area doesn't mean much these days but it's hard to understand on paper how Moses, Fanatic etc... all have HA/fast wings with 2000+ surface area which are popular for winging, and Axis does not. What's the secret with Axis wide HA wings



Axis has been bringing out foils up to 1430 cm nothing bigger and that is very very disappointing to us!

We (3 persons)have a full quiver ( 6 front foils)of Axis foils for wing, sup and prone and I was tempted to get another S1020 or a big foil from another brand because we all wanted to use the S1020.... we have small waves and light winds in summer

And now we will try to wait for the S1150 hoping it will not disappoint ..

We don't want to wait until the end of August, when we have to go back to work!

Armstrong 2400 and Moses 1100 are tempting....

bigtone667
NSW, 1199 posts
Tuesday , 2 Jun 2020 8:48PM
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I will be putting in an order for 1150.

The 1020 is my light wind option and 101 my mid/high wind option. But the 1020 is pretty tame compared to the 1010, so I am hoping the 1150 will end up being the light wind option.

Dspace
28 posts
Tuesday , 2 Jun 2020 7:28PM
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Just my feeble 2C, but it looks like we are seeing a similar (though not exact) convergence of 2nd gen foil wing quivers promoted for wing foiling, but also sort of overlapping with traditional pump foils (GL's for example). Common theme is high aspect AND low volume (minimal thickness) with several size choices, and without entirely sacrificing carving ability. Fanatic's high aspect Aeros, F-One Phantoms, Gong Veloce's, and others I'm sure I've missed. Heck, even the new P180 is going thinner. Lots of related choices out there, and very limited current availability!

My goal has always been speed RANGE; low stall speed, high controllable top end, reasonable turning ability, and lots of glide. The Veloce XL I have on order kinda looks similar to the 1150. Of course, no idea when I'll see it.....



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