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Created by lawnpotter 1 month ago, 7 Jan 2024
Tardy
4906 posts
23 Jan 2024 4:11AM
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Just put bigger fins on and it will help draw a straight line ,also adds to stability .
I paddle around on my 8,7 all the time ,
if your not in a hurry ,and you still get a work out, its fine
beats arriving at the beach with no board ,its worth the effort . go the 135 model ,

lawnpotter
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23 Jan 2024 4:35AM
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supthecreek said..

lawnpotter said..



supthecreek said..
I found a fin online that turns any board into a fairly straight paddler.
A long base Keel Fin that has Zero Cant, so it sits on the board like a center fin.
It is also 50/50 foil like a center fin.
Found them on AliExpress at $20 USD for 2 fins

When I put this fin on my surf SUPs for a flatwater paddle, they actually get hard to turn.

I have video of me paddling with this fin, but so many of my external Hard Drives that back up my videos have failed, that I don't know if I can find the vid on the surviving drives.






This fin looks great. I cant find it on the net. Do you have a Link ? Does it improve stability as well ? Thanks




I never notice stability changes in fins, so I can't say if they improve stability.

I looked for some time and couldn't find the exact fins I got.
Here are some that I located on AliExpress (where I found mine)
These are all low priced fins, so experimenting is not so costly

NOTE:
AliExpressused to have more pictures and better info on fin foil etc, so it may be a crapshoot to order some of these
---- ALWAYS check two things when ordering from AliExpress -----
#1 Shipping date -- it could be 3 months later... but usually around a week
#2 shipping cost -- the cheaper the fins, the higher the shipping costs (but still cheap in most cases)

I have never had any issues ordering from AliExpress - and on my budget, unfortunately I need to use these sources
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1 - If you have a US Center box

www.amazon.com/VAMO-Findestructable-Paddleboards-longboards-Screw-Black/dp/B09XFLDN9D/ref=sr_1_59?crid=3ILTPHEL6YN5R&keywords=surfboard%2Btwin%2Bfin%2B50%2F50%2Bfoil&qid=1705926266&sprefix=surfboard%2Btwin%2Bfin%2B50%2F50%2Bfoil%2Caps%2C104&sr=8-59&th=1






2 - These look to have 50/50 foil and zero cant, but the pics make it a tough call

www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805117073701.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.103.7aff6727gjtjvR&algo_pvid=82c61306-952f-4124-9421-58ed5a93c317&algo_exp_id=82c61306-952f-4124-9421-58ed5a93c317-51&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%2116.60%2116.60%21%21%2116.60%2116.60%21%402101f49a17059276445527332e6e69%2112000032556263122%21sea%21US%210%21AB&curPageLogUid=CCeqzfl4q2f5&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A




3 - These have 80/20 foil and look like zero cant, so probably ok if you use both in the side boxes
www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806163723869.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.115.7aff6727gjtjvR&algo_pvid=fa24b90a-cba7-4954-ab68-bd0e1216306f&algo_exp_id=fa24b90a-cba7-4954-ab68-bd0e1216306f-57&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%2130.00%2130.00%21%21%2130.00%2130.00%21%402101f49b17059273614146571e60d2%2112000036853273378%21sea%21US%210%21AB&curPageLogUid=cmw4ctzay9Is&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A


NOTE:
after posting I checked these links and the last two don't connect (404 notice)
I try them from my notes on my computer and they work... maybe something to do with posting????

If these don't work, just spend some time searching AliExpress and you will find something that works!!


Thanks for this

lawnpotter
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23 Jan 2024 4:36AM
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Tardy said..
Just put bigger fins on and it will help draw a straight line ,also adds to stability .
I paddle around on my 8,7 all the time ,
if your not in a hurry ,and you still get a work out, its fine
beats arriving at the beach with no board ,its worth the effort . go the 135 model ,


Sorry what is the 135 model ?

lawnpotter
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23 Jan 2024 4:41AM
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Hoppo3228 said..
I'll add to my initial comment:

IMO It's not that you can't do it on a 8' board - you can, it's just not the perfect tool for the job.

The difference in paddle speed and yaw is enormous between a 8' surf shape sup and a 10-12ft+ longboard type of sup. Night and day difference.






Totally agreed. The difference between paddling the hypernut and the 10.2 Wedge is night and day. Heck, even the 8.8 Spice glides better than the hypernut and it only has like 7 extra litres.





I have a used carbon hypernut lined up so this is a bit discouraging. I dont mind slow but dont want to go really really slow. I have a carbon 10.2 x 32 surf sup that glides really well on flat water. Will a carbon hypernut be noticeably faster than another layup hypernut ?




The construction won't make any appreciable difference, as per Hoppo. You are lighter than me, so you will get a little bit more glide on the Hypernut, but I reckon you will always be fighting that wide nose. I am not sure whether you will be really really slow, or just really slow. At the end of the day, you will still be getting a workout


Slow is good but really slow might be acceptable

Tardy
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23 Jan 2024 12:39PM
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lawnpotter said..

Tardy said..
Just put bigger fins on and it will help draw a straight line ,also adds to stability .
I paddle around on my 8,7 all the time ,
if your not in a hurry ,and you still get a work out, its fine
beats arriving at the beach with no board ,its worth the effort . go the 135 model ,



Sorry what is the 135 model ?


I read your post 8,0 135 or 125 available ,

lawnpotter
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23 Jan 2024 3:40PM
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Tardy said..

lawnpotter said..


Tardy said..
Just put bigger fins on and it will help draw a straight line ,also adds to stability .
I paddle around on my 8,7 all the time ,
if your not in a hurry ,and you still get a work out, its fine
beats arriving at the beach with no board ,its worth the effort . go the 135 model ,




Sorry what is the 135 model ?



I read your post 8,0 135 or 125 available ,


Oh right. Yes I am still deciding between the Starboard Wedge 8.0 123 litres and the hypernt 8.0 135 litres. Different boards but I imagine both equally bad choices for flat water.

obijohn
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26 Jan 2024 10:52PM
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I have paddled dozens of boards in conditions ranging from surf to downwinding to flatwater ocean and lakes. The Hypernut was by far the worst and most frustrating board of all to paddle. I cannot imagine anything worse for anything other than riding small surf.
Though my favorite paddling is either in surf or downwinidng, I have spent at least 100 days paddling on lakes and strongly believe that the most enjoyable tool is 12-14 foot hardboard with a displacement nose to cut cleanly through the water and about 30" wide for plenty of stability if it gets choppy. I think a 2 piece board of that design would give you endless enjoyment on the lakes.
I agree with your comment that inflatables lack soul and hardboards feel much better to paddle. As much as I hate inflatables, I would prefer a long race-style inflatable over the Hypernut for lake paddling.
One other thing to consider is how any wind will affect your lake paddling. If you show up at a lake with any wind chop on it with something like the Hypernut, your day is over. A 12-14 foot board can be very enjoyable to downwind on with small wind chop which will open up many more days of paddling for you.

lawnpotter
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27 Jan 2024 7:47AM
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I have paddled dozens of boards in conditions ranging from surf to downwinding to flatwater ocean and lakes. The Hypernut was by far the worst and most frustrating board of all to paddle. I cannot imagine anything worse for anything other than riding small surf.
Though my favorite paddling is either in surf or downwinidng, I have spent at least 100 days paddling on lakes and strongly believe that the most enjoyable tool is 12-14 foot hardboard with a displacement nose to cut cleanly through the water and about 30" wide for plenty of stability if it gets choppy. I think a 2 piece board of that design would give you endless enjoyment on the lakes.
I agree with your comment that inflatables lack soul and hardboards feel much better to paddle. As much as I hate inflatables, I would prefer a long race-style inflatable over the Hypernut for lake paddling.
One other thing to consider is how any wind will affect your lake paddling. If you show up at a lake with any wind chop on it with something like the Hypernut, your day is over. A 12-14 foot board can be very enjoyable to downwind on with small wind chop which will open up many more days of paddling for you.

Thanks for the reply. Some people really seem to love the Hypernut for surfing but no one seems to like it for flat water. I am a newbie but managed to acquire a few boards in the last year. The board pictured is an "aqua surf" surf sup, probably a chinese brand. It is carbon and weighs 20 pounds. It is really fun on the lakes. It is a bit twitchy but seems pretty quick for 10.2 x32. its a bit challenging in chop but still its my favorite board.
I also have a Starboard Go 10.8 and a Red paddle 11.3 sport. Both boards are awesome and great in chop but I might sell them. They just seem too perfect and boring. The inflatable seems a bit slow and the go hardboard feels a bit high and corky. The carbon sup surf feels more twitchy but more connected to the water. And I like a 20 pound board. I was hoping a Hypernut would paddle similar to my aqua surf but now I am having doubts




lawnpotter
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27 Jan 2024 7:53AM
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Here is another angle of the aquasurf



lawnpotter
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27 Jan 2024 2:19PM
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This is not an 8 foot board My truck would love a 2 piece sunnova but is not in the budget


slsurf
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28 Jan 2024 1:13AM
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Get a sliding window installed between camper and truck, then poke longer board thru that. You can also fit a 9 ft board in easily if you put one end on the diagonal bottom corner near the tailgate, and then prop it up so the nose is up on the opposite diagonal corner. Use a bag to protect board. Then get a cheap or used 150 liter longboard sup. If you find 10x32 twitchy forget about hypernut or other small board. Use a big rear fin as repeated previously. This is a funny thread.

theSeb
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30 Jan 2024 8:38PM
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Why are not putting the board on the roof where it belongs? Use something like a lock rack, or locking straps if you are worried about it getting stolen. Your 10 foot board is going to be miles away from an 8' Hypernut and slsurf is correct about the stability. You are going to struggle on a Hypernut. It's possible to get used to it since I've done it, but it does take a bit of perseverance. Even so, it will never paddle anywhere close to your 10 foot board.







lawnpotter
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31 Jan 2024 10:59AM
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Why are not putting the board on the roof where it belongs? Use something like a lock rack, or locking straps if you are worried about it getting stolen. Your 10 foot board is going to be miles away from an 8' Hypernut and slsurf is correct about the stability. You are going to struggle on a Hypernut. It's possible to get used to it since I've done it, but it does take a bit of perseverance. Even so, it will never paddle anywhere close to your 10 foot board.








Thanks for your input. Looks like you have a nice board there

theSeb
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31 Jan 2024 7:00PM
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theSeb said..
Why are not putting the board on the roof where it belongs? Use something like a lock rack, or locking straps if you are worried about it getting stolen. Your 10 foot board is going to be miles away from an 8' Hypernut and slsurf is correct about the stability. You are going to struggle on a Hypernut. It's possible to get used to it since I've done it, but it does take a bit of perseverance. Even so, it will never paddle anywhere close to your 10 foot board.




Thanks for your input. Looks like you have a nice board there


It's my 2021 8' Hypernut. I got it around August 2022. The 2022 Hypernut was not available at the time due to supply / whatever issues and the 2021 model was available for a hefty discount. It's the 4 in 1, so I occasionally wing foil on it, but I end up not bothering and usually surf it, because wind for wing foiling also normally means waves for surfing and I still prefer surfing to foiling. Unfortunately the 4 in 1 aspect does make the board quite a heavy little bastard, which is a hassle to carry, but I find that it helps in strong winds, because my lighter boards have a tendency for the wind to catch a rail and try to flip me off.

lawnpotter
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1 Feb 2024 1:58AM
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theSeb said..

lawnpotter said..


theSeb said..
Why are not putting the board on the roof where it belongs? Use something like a lock rack, or locking straps if you are worried about it getting stolen. Your 10 foot board is going to be miles away from an 8' Hypernut and slsurf is correct about the stability. You are going to struggle on a Hypernut. It's possible to get used to it since I've done it, but it does take a bit of perseverance. Even so, it will never paddle anywhere close to your 10 foot board.





Thanks for your input. Looks like you have a nice board there



It's my 2021 8' Hypernut. I got it around August 2022. The 2022 Hypernut was not available at the time due to supply / whatever issues and the 2021 model was available for a hefty discount. It's the 4 in 1, so I occasionally wing foil on it, but I end up not bothering and usually surf it, because wind for wing foiling also normally means waves for surfing and I still prefer surfing to foiling. Unfortunately the 4 in 1 aspect does make the board quite a heavy little bastard, which is a hassle to carry, but I find that it helps in strong winds, because my lighter boards have a tendency for the wind to catch a rail and try to flip me off.


Heavy is relative I guess. I complained to my friend that I want to get rid of my 14 foot SUP board because at 34 pounds its too darn heavy. He laughed because in the canoe world 34 pounds is pretty lite. I used to have Coleman canoe that weighed 85 pounds. I contacted a guy who was selling a 2016 carbon hypernut that was maybe close too 15 pounds. My pack raft is about 6 pounds and it can haul a moose. My canoe days are a thing of the past.


supthecreek
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1 Feb 2024 8:02PM
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Thank you supthecreek. I have been a fan of yours for a while. You inspired me to buy a 10.2 by 32 carbon surf sup. I have never surfed with it but I take it to my local lakes and I love it. It weighs 20 pounds and is slightly tippy but it does move through the water fairly quickly. It needs to be corrected a bit. It is so lite to carry and I seem to reach for that board more than any others.I seem to prefer it over my Starboard Go 10.8.
On the other hand, I have an old waterman 14 foot board that I have only used twice in 3 years so I will sell it. I recently watched your video testing stability of sunnova boards. And I thought that if he can comfortably paddle an 8.7 at his weight than maybe I can do an 8 foot. the wedge 8 foot looks interesting but it is only 123 litres and I wonder if it will be stable enough on flat water for my 180 pounds plus wet suit ?


opps, sorry I missed this question
Big No on the Wedge for your purposes.... it is a thick board that raises your center of gravity and it will be very tippy for you.
The volume would be fine on the right board.... just not that one.

That Aquasurf looks perfect for what you want to do... why not just stick with that for now? It seems like that wouldn't be any problem in the back of your truck. You won't be able to shut the back lift gate all the way, but who cares... it's the way I carried all my boards when I had a pickup truck

If that seems a bit tippy for you, it's probably the light weight... so IMO, its a great board to improve your skills on.
You know you're going to end up in the surf .... and this would be a great board to start on.

lawnpotter
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2 Feb 2024 11:46AM
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lawnpotter said..
Thank you supthecreek. I have been a fan of yours for a while. You inspired me to buy a 10.2 by 32 carbon surf sup. I have never surfed with it but I take it to my local lakes and I love it. It weighs 20 pounds and is slightly tippy but it does move through the water fairly quickly. It needs to be corrected a bit. It is so lite to carry and I seem to reach for that board more than any others.I seem to prefer it over my Starboard Go 10.8.
On the other hand, I have an old waterman 14 foot board that I have only used twice in 3 years so I will sell it. I recently watched your video testing stability of sunnova boards. And I thought that if he can comfortably paddle an 8.7 at his weight than maybe I can do an 8 foot. the wedge 8 foot looks interesting but it is only 123 litres and I wonder if it will be stable enough on flat water for my 180 pounds plus wet suit ?



opps, sorry I missed this question
Big No on the Wedge for your purposes.... it is a thick board that raises your center of gravity and it will be very tippy for you.
The volume would be fine on the right board.... just not that one.

That Aquasurf looks perfect for what you want to do... why not just stick with that for now? It seems like that wouldn't be any problem in the back of your truck. You won't be able to shut the back lift gate all the way, but who cares... it's the way I carried all my boards when I had a pickup truck

If that seems a bit tippy for you, it's probably the light weight... so IMO, its a great board to improve your skills on.
You know you're going to end up in the surf .... and this would be a great board to start on.


Thanks for feed back. This week I have been to the lake 3 times . I have been testing and comparing boards. I need to sell 2. That carbon board is a keeper. The Go 10.8 has to Go. and I may sell the Red paddle sport 11.3. Its a great board but I want to focus on hard boards.

Transporting boards is easy for me. I just hang them off the gate and tie them in. I posted the pic of my 14 foot sup and truck for humour. It is legal but I only did it twice and not on the highway and I wasnt that comfortable. . I have the 14 foot for sale cheap.

I was thinking an 8 foot board cause I thought it would be good to lock it in my canopy. Maybe I am looking for a solution to a problem that might not exist. I do think the Starboard Wedge 8.0 may be worth considering though. It is only 4 inches thick according to the Starboard website. It is the thinnest wedge . I do get to Tofino once a year and Do like to play in the waves

I am surprised how fast that carbon surf sup is on flat water. Faster than the Go and Isup for sure. My arms feel great after paddling it for 2 hours.



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