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Created by Souwester 2 months ago, 23 Mar 2020
colas
3834 posts
25 Mar 2020 5:39PM
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MickMc said..
Maybe you should talk to them.


Here in France, they talk a lot in the newspapers and do not want to go to work without the adequate protections.

There is even now a clash between the small construction companies and the government: the companies owners refuse to send their people to work without having taken some days first to organize safety rules.

The cashiers at stores are deeply shocked when they see people come and buy non-vital goods, etc... postmen revolt at the idea of having to take risks to bring non-essential parcels.
Basically most people "in the trenches" are going to work in fear and deeply resent being forced to take risks for a meager pay to satisfy "frivolous" needs.

Why? because it is the society as a whole that will help workers and small business owners via their taxes and subsidies, so "being in it together" is actually the best insurance for people out of work now.

"What has some idiot having a bbq got to do with whether we should go surfing or not?"
Again, I describe the state of mind of a society that will most probably be your near future. I do not argue about what actual risks a reasonably sane individual really take, which I agree is irrelevant of some idiot behavior. But it will be highly relevant to understand the state of mind of your local cops, and that you may not want to argue with them, even if you are right.
Yesterday an idiot was immediately jailed for 4 months for breaking the lockdown 8 times.

micksmith
VIC, 1397 posts
25 Mar 2020 9:32PM
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colas said..


MickMc said..
40 years surfing and never had to go to emergency or required any hospitalisation. Think I'm safer in the water than on land. Keep a few metres away from others and enjoy the waves.







From your own perspective, maybe. But you are consuming gas, and adding mileage to your car that will require maintenance. And the same for the rescue infrastructure with people and boats & helicopters on the ready, even if by luck you or me do not need them.

So if you look at the whole picture (country-wide), you are applying an economic pressure for gas stations and garages to stay open, as well as all the backoffice logistics and supply chain, with a reduced number of workers that are quarantined or confined, and that will in their turn consume gas to go to work, without adequate protections as they are not health workers. The few resources still available should be kept for vital things. BTW we are seeing "call to arms" now, pleas for idle people to go to the fields help replace the missing workers to harvest vegetables. (I discovered we were employing Ecuadorians here in Hossegor in the asparagus fields... This crisis shines a hard light on the globalization)

This said, if I was in a remote part of the country, at walking distrance from the spot, with no monitoring and no rescue infrastructure, I would be on the water. But not here where I must take my car, and with an active rescue infrastructure. Even if I can see on the news tons of idiots taking nearly no precautions, triggering more drastic measures even for sensible people. Near my old home some idiot organized a big BBQ and tried to argue with the incoming police... they did not waste time, he was swiftly put in jail and all the guests fined 1500 euros (2800 AUD) on the spot.



2 minutes to my local break. Could walk but I drive ..... selling petrol, maintaining cars etc keeps people in jobs and if done properly poses no risk. Am I applying economic pressure forcing them to stay open? I can tell you they're desperate to keep their jobs. Maybe you should talk to them. Rescue infrastructure already in place, so the fact that I'm on the water changes nothing. They're not out there just in case I get hurt and the likelihood of my needing them is pretty much zero anyway. More people in jobs.
What has some idiot having a bbq got to do with whether we should go surfing or not? We go to the break, keep a few metres away from each other as we surf and if chatting afterwards. If the government decides we shouldn't go surfing I will obey the law and respect their decision. That being said my son is a psychologist working with people suffering from diverse mental issues. He continues to work despite the risk to his own health and he fears for their condition even under the current state of things. At his point in time people should still take the opportunity to go for a walk, swim, surf .... keep a safe distance from others, wash your hands and make the best of a bad situation.
Yes, this all from my own perspective and the current situation in Australia. I can't speak for France, and I wouldn't without actually being there and having a full understanding of the situation there.


Well articulated, and correct in every aspect Mick, so please be assured colas and any other foreign undiplomat we will abide by our own government ( even if we think they're wrong) and there's no point giving us your long winded reasons why and what we should do or how it's inevitable we'll end up like you twats.
I read some advice today about coughing and how we should do it from a far, and if someone were to come near you, you should say to them,
far cough
hows that advice colas

tarquin1
360 posts
25 Mar 2020 7:07PM
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And let's get back to the topic. I am modifying my pool sup and it's getting better. Stopping me from ferry gliding from one side to the other. I wonder if this is good or bad for my technique. Any thoughts. I think it's bad because I over compensate to stay straight.
I am going to keep it up though because here in France......

I might live in France but I'm still Australian. Nothing better than a good piss take.

WaveScience
VIC, 110 posts
25 Mar 2020 11:53PM
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As of last night, apparently surfing is allowed as long as you don't travel to get to the beach. Which rules out most of us.

colas
3834 posts
25 Mar 2020 10:25PM
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I read some advice today about coughing and how we should do it from a far, and if someone were to come near you, you should say to them,
far cough
hows that advice colas



Again, I do not give you advice. I describe what is happening, like a time traveler. And my post answered questions specifically to me.

Sor, for your question, I can tell you that telling people not to cough on you and keep distances do not work at all here, (in your future). What works here is putting physical distances. Here cashiers have but boxes along the counter to force people to stay away, or put plexiglass panels, and have security personnel force people to keep their distance...Plus the main risk is more the surfaces, as the virus does not stay in the air much but can stay days on hard surfaces.

Basically sane people try to social distance by themselves, so workers get disproportionally exposed to the rest: idiots and/or assholes going 3 times a day to the shop. Even people spitting or coughing on them on purpose, which is the reason of the seemingly overkill rules. Being prevented to go surfing is not really dependent on your behavior, but on these assholes. Just like you cannot bring a nailcutter on a plane because of a handful of bad apples.

lam
VIC, 99 posts
26 Mar 2020 9:22AM
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colas said..

micksmith said..
I read some advice today about coughing and how we should do it from a far, and if someone were to come near you, you should say to them,
far cough
hows that advice colas




Again, I do not give you advice. I describe what is happening, like a time traveler. And my post answered questions specifically to me.

Sor, for your question, I can tell you that telling people not to cough on you and keep distances do not work at all here, (in your future). What works here is putting physical distances. Here cashiers have but boxes along the counter to force people to stay away, or put plexiglass panels, and have security personnel force people to keep their distance...Plus the main risk is more the surfaces, as the virus does not stay in the air much but can stay days on hard surfaces.

Basically sane people try to social distance by themselves, so workers get disproportionally exposed to the rest: idiots and/or assholes going 3 times a day to the shop. Even people spitting or coughing on them on purpose, which is the reason of the seemingly overkill rules. Being prevented to go surfing is not really dependent on your behavior, but on these assholes. Just like you cannot bring a nailcutter on a plane because of a handful of bad apples.


Thanks Colas, I, for one, appreciate hearing about what's going on in France, first hand. I also appreciate your independent thinking on a variety of topics including this one.
keep up the good work and the sharing of your observations and your thoughts.
Cheers.

MickMc
VIC, 377 posts
26 Mar 2020 9:26AM
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MickMc said..
Maybe you should talk to them.




Here in France, they talk a lot in the newspapers and do not want to go to work without the adequate protections.

There is even now a clash between the small construction companies and the government: the companies owners refuse to send their people to work without having taken some days first to organize safety rules.

The cashiers at stores are deeply shocked when they see people come and buy non-vital goods, etc... postmen revolt at the idea of having to take risks to bring non-essential parcels.
Basically most people "in the trenches" are going to work in fear and deeply resent being forced to take risks for a meager pay to satisfy "frivolous" needs.

Why? because it is the society as a whole that will help workers and small business owners via their taxes and subsidies, so "being in it together" is actually the best insurance for people out of work now.

"What has some idiot having a bbq got to do with whether we should go surfing or not?"
Again, I describe the state of mind of a society that will most probably be your near future. I do not argue about what actual risks a reasonably sane individual really take, which I agree is irrelevant of some idiot behavior. But it will be highly relevant to understand the state of mind of your local cops, and that you may not want to argue with them, even if you are right.
Yesterday an idiot was immediately jailed for 4 months for breaking the lockdown 8 times.



So to sum up I think we can say it's ok (I would argue beneficial) to go for a surf so long as we maintain a safe distance from each other.
If further restrictions are put in place then we go with whatever the government decides. I bow to the experts.
If however you are planning on chucking an esky full of beers and snaggers on the back of your sup, paddling to France and inviting all your mates over for a barbie then probably not a good idea and I would advise against it. The cops will be all over you like a St Kilda stripper on a Satdee night.

Gboots
NSW, 917 posts
26 Mar 2020 9:42AM
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WaveScience said..
As of last night, apparently surfing is allowed as long as you don't travel to get to the beach. Which rules out most of us.


Wave science is this just Victoria ?
Do you have a link showing this ruling ?

FrankJones
NSW, 5 posts
26 Mar 2020 10:19AM
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Unless you are surfing somewhere ridiculously croweded like bondi or manly which on a sup im sure your not. Id suggest still keep on going until your are physically stopped by the cops. You are not gonna catch corona in the water unless you lick a few handrails along the way there. Common sense and you will be fine.

515
455 posts
26 Mar 2020 8:07AM
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Here in Auckland NZ its day 1 of lockdown.
Police were saying don't drive to the beach as its non essential travel. Initially they will educate but then enforce.
PM told us to treat self isolation as if you have the virus yourself!
The streets are quite with some people out walking and some running.
Keep safe

Souwester
WA, 1045 posts
26 Mar 2020 8:49AM
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Some good points raised here so far guys, sound hectic what is happening in coastal Europe so thanks for sharing your experience Colas, SurfinJ & tarquin1.

After thinking about it a bit more I feel there is a few things to consider in going for a SUP during the pandemic, just my opinion, not preachinG anything - Is being seen going for a SUP encouraging more people to go to the beach and ending up with crowds at a beach, unless you can 100% rule out any contact with anyone is it a wise thing to do (crowded car park, beach shower, handrails etc..) and when the law is involved best to abide.

I had what will probably be my last SUP for a while this morning, parked away from the beach, went down a rarely used path and had a 30min session on my own, got back in the car with no shower and drove home to get ready for work (I work in an office on my own)

It was interesting to see from a distance how much the carpark and cafe down the road looked like business as normal with crowds of people gathering, running clubs doing their thing and what looked like groups of people heading down the beach for a while with all the gear they had.

DaveSandan
VIC, 944 posts
26 Mar 2020 1:33PM
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I work near the beach and went for a lunch time paddle, beach had 5 or 6 people over a 4km stretch of sand and I was the only one on the water. There was one lady swimming long distance about 200m from me and that was it.
I listen to my customers all day tell me how their business is struggling and how many guys lost their jobs and this was my only way to de stress.
At home it's all news and worry about moving house next week and how bad it will get in a few weeks. Out on the water no one spoke and there was no noise and it's necessary if you still have to work because my industry is essential. Until otherwise told by the state government I will de stress the best way I know how and good manners, good spirit and helping each other will take over this mess eventually.

colas
3834 posts
26 Mar 2020 4:37PM
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PM told us to treat self isolation as if you have the virus yourself!




Yes, 515, that is a very important point. People should (yes, here I am giving advice) not think in terms of not catching the virus. We should behave as if you have it, but without any symptoms, (which seems the majority of cases), and try to avoid ruining the life of other people. Going on the water while avoiding others, while it is still permitted, is more than fine.

This is not a flu. Look at the first "cured" guy in New Jersey for instance: nypost.com/2020/03/22/new-jerseys-first-coronavirus-patient-released-from-hospital-on-oxygen/ (I post this as it is an English text, but reports here in France are the same. The first cases that entered an ICU are not out yet). You can be scarred inside your lungs for life, condemned to an eternal lockdown with no more surfing. At 32 yo, without any other illness. And these cases are shown as "cured" in all the various stats and graph you can see now. Plus you are coming out of the hospital still potentially infectious (nobody can be sure yet, although immunity tests are close to be available), and with months of physical therapy to get back to a normal life again, if you are lucky enough to not have scars in your lungs.

We do not want to inflict this to others. Even if it is the cop that has to get close to you to fine you.

On the positive side, my local supermarket calls all local food producers to come, they will resell their produces at the price the producers set with the barest of margin. And the first volunteers have arrived to help harvest the carrots here, with most of them being shop owners out of work. The renewed solidarity spirit may be a side benefit of all this, a bit like after a war.

Kami
1479 posts
26 Mar 2020 6:28PM
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Like many people who surf and love the Ocean, we passioned surfers/supers mostly live out of cities or suburbs where there is a higher risk of pandemic issues. And I pray for safety for my family and other people living inland far away from Mother Ocean.
I live 200 km up North from Tarquin, SurfingJ and Colas and get the chance to stay with a fewer neighbour than the usual people density of cities or suburbs are and we all privileged people of SW of France are surrounded and naturally locked down by large areas of pines trees.
From these Pine trees, comes the pollen which is natural and seasonal nuisance lasting around April during offshore shiny days like by now. In a large cloud of pollen, it comes into houses, cars and sadly lungs, making people cough. In the same time, this pollen came inside irritating the lungs by breathing allows like " royal way" all sort of diseases to finally come into the body.
So, Colas, SurfinJ and Tarquin this is one more reason to stay in for a few weeks out of the coronavirus. Let the pollen goes off.

WaveScience
VIC, 110 posts
26 Mar 2020 10:09PM
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Gboots said..

WaveScience said..
As of last night, apparently surfing is allowed as long as you don't travel to get to the beach. Which rules out most of us.



Wave science is this just Victoria ?
Do you have a link showing this ruling ?


Here's an article:

thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/03/25/coronavirus-hairdresser-wedding-funerals/





Suporator
NSW, 44 posts
27 Mar 2020 3:05AM
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Some people seem to have cabin fever already in this thread and it seems they might have way too much time on their hands. Chatted to a couple of cops yesterday who were getting a takeaway coffee (still legal) and they reckoned cabin fever is a problem for them already. While I can get a takeaway coffee and support a local business I will. While I can go for for a SUP, I will. It's essential for mental health. Cabin fever is gonna became a way bigger problem than going for a SUP on your own as this thread has clearly demonstrated...

IanInca
76 posts
27 Mar 2020 5:50AM
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Interesting how different countries are dealing with this crisis. The UK response had been fairly chilled until Sunday night.

My sad tale... . we have had weeks and weeks of winter bloody wind and crap surf. On the horizon a nice low pressure, 15-18 wave period and light offshores!!! Ding-dong!! I cleared the decks for 2 days, green light from wife, planned to get up at 5.30am for a marathon surf Monday, stay in my van and surf all day Tuesday! 8pm Sunday National TV all non essential travel banned!!!! I could of cried.. I couldn't help checking the Web cam for the next 2 days and it was pumping... Lol.

Take care folks...

WaveScience
VIC, 110 posts
27 Mar 2020 10:50AM
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Today's news with comments from police:

thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/03/26/victoria-police-beach-patrol-coronavirus/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020200327

Although it may be tempting to take advantage of the sunshine by going to the beach with friends, police are strongly warning against it. And they will be out in full force ensuring we don't have a repeat of Bondi Beach last week in Sydney, where thousands flocked to lap up the sun and exposed each other to the killer virus. Images of the crowded beach attracted worldwide condemnation and prompted the New South Wales government to seal off the beach completely.

Police are determined to make sure it doesn't happen again. In Victoria, where temperatures are expected reach a top of 25 degrees on Friday and 27 on Saturday, police are considering flying drones over beaches and bays to detect people congregating in groups. The aerial technology will be used to supplement patrol officers scouting beaches on foot for groups of people gathering together on the sand.

Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton has urged anyone planning to meet friends at the beach to "do the right thing by each other" and stay home instead.

"We do not want to see what happened last weekend in NSW," Commissioner Ashton told reporters on Thursday. "We absolutely do not want to see large groups of people sitting cheek to jowl on the beach, on their mats, blowing up their blow-up things and getting on them. That's just ridiculous."

He urged Victorians to "use common sense" as the coronavirus claims more and more lives around the globe. "We're in a state of emergency," Commissioner Ashton said. "Going to the beach is a nice thing to do on a hot day. We are not in that situation at the moment. If you do not need to go out, don't go out."

Although we are banned from going to the beach with others, for now it is OK to run or walk along the beach by yourself or with someone from your household. But do not move in a group and do not stop and chat to friends. If passing others, keep a distance.

Commissioner Ashton said he recognised that some people used the beach "on their exercise route".

"We don't want to see large groups flocking to the beach and creating a risk of transmission of this disease over the weekend," Commissioner Ashton said.

bobajob
QLD, 1390 posts
27 Mar 2020 10:09AM
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WaveScience said..
Today's news with comments from police:

thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/03/26/victoria-police-beach-patrol-coronavirus/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020200327

Although it may be tempting to take advantage of the sunshine by going to the beach with friends, police are strongly warning against it. And they will be out in full force ensuring we don't have a repeat of Bondi Beach last week in Sydney, where thousands flocked to lap up the sun and exposed each other to the killer virus. Images of the crowded beach attracted worldwide condemnation and prompted the New South Wales government to seal off the beach completely.

Police are determined to make sure it doesn't happen again. In Victoria, where temperatures are expected reach a top of 25 degrees on Friday and 27 on Saturday, police are considering flying drones over beaches and bays to detect people congregating in groups. The aerial technology will be used to supplement patrol officers scouting beaches on foot for groups of people gathering together on the sand.

Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton has urged anyone planning to meet friends at the beach to "do the right thing by each other" and stay home instead.

"We do not want to see what happened last weekend in NSW," Commissioner Ashton told reporters on Thursday. "We absolutely do not want to see large groups of people sitting cheek to jowl on the beach, on their mats, blowing up their blow-up things and getting on them. That's just ridiculous."

He urged Victorians to "use common sense" as the coronavirus claims more and more lives around the globe. "We're in a state of emergency," Commissioner Ashton said. "Going to the beach is a nice thing to do on a hot day. We are not in that situation at the moment. If you do not need to go out, don't go out."

Although we are banned from going to the beach with others, for now it is OK to run or walk along the beach by yourself or with someone from your household. But do not move in a group and do not stop and chat to friends. If passing others, keep a distance.

Commissioner Ashton said he recognised that some people used the beach "on their exercise route".

"We don't want to see large groups flocking to the beach and creating a risk of transmission of this disease over the weekend," Commissioner Ashton said.


"blowing up their blow-up things and getting on them. That's just ridiculous."

Bloody Kiters!

WaveScience
VIC, 110 posts
27 Mar 2020 11:50AM
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bobajob said..

WaveScience said..
Today's news with comments from police:

thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/03/26/victoria-police-beach-patrol-coronavirus/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020200327

Although it may be tempting to take advantage of the sunshine by going to the beach with friends, police are strongly warning against it. And they will be out in full force ensuring we don't have a repeat of Bondi Beach last week in Sydney, where thousands flocked to lap up the sun and exposed each other to the killer virus. Images of the crowded beach attracted worldwide condemnation and prompted the New South Wales government to seal off the beach completely.

Police are determined to make sure it doesn't happen again. In Victoria, where temperatures are expected reach a top of 25 degrees on Friday and 27 on Saturday, police are considering flying drones over beaches and bays to detect people congregating in groups. The aerial technology will be used to supplement patrol officers scouting beaches on foot for groups of people gathering together on the sand.

Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton has urged anyone planning to meet friends at the beach to "do the right thing by each other" and stay home instead.

"We do not want to see what happened last weekend in NSW," Commissioner Ashton told reporters on Thursday. "We absolutely do not want to see large groups of people sitting cheek to jowl on the beach, on their mats, blowing up their blow-up things and getting on them. That's just ridiculous."

He urged Victorians to "use common sense" as the coronavirus claims more and more lives around the globe. "We're in a state of emergency," Commissioner Ashton said. "Going to the beach is a nice thing to do on a hot day. We are not in that situation at the moment. If you do not need to go out, don't go out."

Although we are banned from going to the beach with others, for now it is OK to run or walk along the beach by yourself or with someone from your household. But do not move in a group and do not stop and chat to friends. If passing others, keep a distance.

Commissioner Ashton said he recognised that some people used the beach "on their exercise route".

"We don't want to see large groups flocking to the beach and creating a risk of transmission of this disease over the weekend," Commissioner Ashton said.



"blowing up their blow-up things and getting on them. That's just ridiculous."

Bloody Kiters!


Yeah them and the new fangled wing dings - ruining the beach for everybody with their blow-up thingys.

Macaha
QLD, 20648 posts
27 Mar 2020 11:20AM
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Waves will come and go just like any other day however human life only comes once.
Rack your boards and think of others wellbeing before yourself. Anybody out surfing should hang their heads in shame, plain and simple,its wrong,a bad look in general.Surfing may not be banned at this stage but I wouldn't be taking advice from a police officer they are not medical experts,listen to the health authorities and take their advice,stay home!

BigZ
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27 Mar 2020 10:05AM
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Macaha said..
Waves will come and go just like any other day however human life only comes once.
Rack your boards and think of others wellbeing before yourself. Anybody out surfing should hang their heads in shame, plain and simple,its wrong,a bad look in general.Surfing may not be banned at this stage but I wouldn't be taking advice from a police officer they are not medical experts,listen to the health authorities and take their advice,stay home!


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bobajob
QLD, 1390 posts
27 Mar 2020 3:37PM
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Macaha said..
Waves will come and go just like any other day however human life only comes once.
Rack your boards and think of others wellbeing before yourself. Anybody out surfing should hang their heads in shame, plain and simple,its wrong,a bad look in general.Surfing may not be banned at this stage but I wouldn't be taking advice from a police officer they are not medical experts,listen to the health authorities and take their advice,stay home!



Do you mean if you should be in quarantine? Because I see surfing a way less risk activity (for Corona) than what I do for work which is in the service industry mixing with clients but I am all the time mindful of distancing and respect for hand and general cleanliness.
I don't see why I would hang my head in shame if I ventured out for a surf when I'm not in quarantine. Maybe if I walked out of a shop with a trolley stacked with TP.

colas
3834 posts
27 Mar 2020 4:04PM
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Macaha said..
I wouldn't be taking advice from a police officer they are not medical experts,listen to the health authorities and take their advice,stay home!


To be honest, the lockdown seems in all objectivity a bad solution, the last resort of unprepared governments.

What has worked is what was done in Hong Kong: the whole population instantly used masks and hand washing, even before their government edited any measure, and thus they avoided collapsing the health infrastructure without the economic and psychological damage of a lockdown.

But masks do not protect you: they protect others, not you. So masks are only effective if all the population wear them, without exception. It is of no use if only you use them. So alas they are useless for those us use with ignorant governements and society: wearing a mask in France will frighten quite a lot of people or even have them insult you, and will probably get you shot on sight in the US. So for us the lockdown is the only solution.

News from the trenches: as the lockdown is now more efficient, cops get bored since they have less people to arrest. So they play with motorbikes on the beaches (which is illegal here), and even arrest themselves between different police force departments (I put the French article here, as it is quite unbelievable: www.laprovence.com/article/faits-divers-justice/5941528/coronavirus-des-policiers-controles-par-des-gendarmes-au-peage-de-lancon.html )

LastSupper
VIC, 210 posts
27 Mar 2020 7:43PM
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colas said..

Macaha said..
I wouldn't be taking advice from a police officer they are not medical experts,listen to the health authorities and take their advice,stay home!



To be honest, the lockdown seems in all objectivity a bad solution, the last resort of unprepared governments.

What has worked is what was done in Hong Kong: the whole population instantly used masks and hand washing, even before their government edited any measure, and thus they avoided collapsing the health infrastructure without the economic and psychological damage of a lockdown.

But masks do not protect you: they protect others, not you. So masks are only effective if all the population wear them, without exception. It is of no use if only you use them. So alas they are useless for those us use with ignorant governements and society: wearing a mask in France will frighten quite a lot of people or even have them insult you, and will probably get you shot on sight in the US. So for us the lockdown is the only solution.

News from the trenches: as the lockdown is now more efficient, cops get bored since they have less people to arrest. So they play with motorbikes on the beaches (which is illegal here), and even arrest themselves between different police force departments (I put the French article here, as it is quite unbelievable: www.laprovence.com/article/faits-divers-justice/5941528/coronavirus-des-policiers-controles-par-des-gendarmes-au-peage-de-lancon.html )


Pobably wouldn't go down well here if that was the police attitude ! Interesting times here ! I live in a coastel town in victoria which is about to b slammed by rubber necks for school holidays and easter and pumping surf ! Our supermarkets havent been stocked with some prducts for a month ! We dont have a hospital whithin 40 k and its a country hospital ! Every air b and b is full motels and realestate rentals full ! The she will b rite mate attitude we have may kick us rite in the butt !

WaveScience
VIC, 110 posts
27 Mar 2020 7:53PM
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LastSupper said..

colas said..


Macaha said..
I wouldn't be taking advice from a police officer they are not medical experts,listen to the health authorities and take their advice,stay home!




To be honest, the lockdown seems in all objectivity a bad solution, the last resort of unprepared governments.

What has worked is what was done in Hong Kong: the whole population instantly used masks and hand washing, even before their government edited any measure, and thus they avoided collapsing the health infrastructure without the economic and psychological damage of a lockdown.

But masks do not protect you: they protect others, not you. So masks are only effective if all the population wear them, without exception. It is of no use if only you use them. So alas they are useless for those us use with ignorant governements and society: wearing a mask in France will frighten quite a lot of people or even have them insult you, and will probably get you shot on sight in the US. So for us the lockdown is the only solution.

News from the trenches: as the lockdown is now more efficient, cops get bored since they have less people to arrest. So they play with motorbikes on the beaches (which is illegal here), and even arrest themselves between different police force departments (I put the French article here, as it is quite unbelievable: www.laprovence.com/article/faits-divers-justice/5941528/coronavirus-des-policiers-controles-par-des-gendarmes-au-peage-de-lancon.html )



Pobably wouldn't go down well here if that was the police attitude ! Interesting times here ! I live in a coastel town in victoria which is about to b slammed by rubber necks for school holidays and easter and pumping surf ! Our supermarkets havent been stocked with some prducts for a month ! We dont have a hospital whithin 40 k and its a country hospital ! Every air b and b is full motels and realestate rentals full ! The she will b rite mate attitude we have may kick us rite in the butt !


Yeah it's not so much "She'll be right mate," it's more like, "You can't tell me what to do!"

Moron tourists heading to the coast for the school holidays will only have themselves to blame if there is an outbreak. And locals shouldn't be renting out their air b'n'b's and motels. They are equally to blame.

stehar
NSW, 316 posts
27 Mar 2020 8:07PM
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I went into town today for medical reasons, on the way home I drove past my local point break - just to see what I was missing -have had a few days now with restricted travel BUT my local point break had 30 cars ( mostly not locals ) in the car park and 25 surfers out in the waves --- WHAT THE ****!!!! My daughter rang today and gave me a really hard vibe!!! Dad I am keeping the kids home from school and I am working from home as is Russel ( husband ) to stop this thing spreading == we will probably all five of us be alright ( demograph ). We are doing this because I/WE are worried about you and CCarol and Nan dying. SO STAY HOME.
One more trip tomorrow and then probably once every ten days or so for food. Tomorrow am picking up a new board - today I bought a board cover. So from now on 2,3,4,5 or six months I will walk off my back veranda for five minutes thru the bush onto the middle of the beach and have a surf. No car, no people, no hassles! Keep safe Steve

Kela
58 posts
27 Mar 2020 8:49PM
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Closing the regions down here in WA from Tuesday. No invasion of Margs or up north, hopefully patrolled and law executed to the full by the authorities. Don't see any problem walking down the road 100m for a surf at my local though.....if we ever get any swell!

aceman8772
30 posts
27 Mar 2020 9:01PM
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Here in Japan. I went for a paddle today. Drove 80 km round trip. Hadn't thought about Colas point about accidents. Yet, I would do it again.
The CDC in the States noted that 32 million people in the US had flu this season alone. Over 300k required hospitalization and 18k died.
Is the China virus scary? If I focus strictly on what the media tells me, yes. I just refuse to be cowed by a media driven to propagate fear for ratings for or political motivations. Think I am kidding, look at the numbers from swine flu and ask yourself what was the difference? Could it be that a black president was elected and given a Nobel peace prize before even taking office? Could it be that a certain group is desperate to remove a sitting president?
Oh, I know that's US centric. Well, Hong Kong is quiet which was the intent of allowing 5 million infected to leave China.
Germany isn't talking about getting rid of Merkel. Spain isn't dealing with the youths protesting unemployment at 50%. France doesn't have any union workers shutting down France to protest their government. Italy and Greece are paying for years of austerity which had doctors and nurses going to other countries. Yet, they are subdued as well.
So, to my European friends, be obedient and stay in your homes becpause you are correct. The police are pissed and will enforce. After all they were the only public employees not to take a pay cut.
To men from down under, come on. You paddle in water with whites, bulls, tigers, and crocs. You have all kinds of dangerous snakes around your house. You endure droughts and fires. You gonna cower because the government wants to change the narrative about the economy tanking cause of China?

Me, I am going to live. I stay calm, wash my hands, and try to keep it all in perspective. I am not going to play the what if game from my couch. What if I crash? What if I get worked by a wave? What if the police catch me and give me a beat down?
All that results in is me self restricting my own freedom.

surfinJ
475 posts
27 Mar 2020 9:57PM
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No you are the kind of fellow planetary traveler that requires a firm lockdown. I would love to see you and your personal freedom in action in the city of New York right now.



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