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Created by Kela 7 months ago, 27 Oct 2019
Kela
58 posts
27 Oct 2019 2:24PM
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After some rail tape advice.
Can any of you knowledgeable folk recommended a particular brand?
I gave it a go with the tape provided.....thought I nailed it, however after a few surfs it has started to peel back in parts. Not sure if user error or the tape? I guess it would be good to hear any tricks or tips for application too.....
Cheers

Fitzsup
NSW, 143 posts
27 Oct 2019 5:31PM
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Check out the foiling thread.

Kela
58 posts
27 Oct 2019 3:04PM
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Yeah cheers! After a wider search I found heaps of stuff in forums of sea breeze!
I definitely don't want to fire up the Puka Patch v RSPro issue again.....
After a quick look the RSPro Xtreme seems very suitable at 5 foot by 5cm.

DCeeSup
VIC, 9 posts
27 Oct 2019 6:59PM
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Hi, I have tried various types, the RS Pro was the better tape out of the basic cheap tape and th Ion tape

Nugdam
QLD, 442 posts
27 Oct 2019 8:14PM
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I've been using rs pro on a few boards now.. great stuff

Feps
NSW, 101 posts
27 Oct 2019 9:59PM
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Ion tape on last 5 boards. Tough as nails

shi thouse
WA, 915 posts
27 Oct 2019 9:33PM
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Yep, second the Ion tape....good stuff.

Kela
58 posts
28 Oct 2019 10:10AM
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Cheers everyone. I will report back on the RSPro once I give it a go.

Nugdam
QLD, 442 posts
28 Oct 2019 9:15PM
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Kela said..
Cheers everyone. I will report back on the RSPro once I give it a go.


You'll love it. They have some installation videos on YouTube which help a bunch.

Mark _australia
WA, 19783 posts
6 Nov 2019 3:22PM
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I would never use it.

It is a pain to remove when you ding the board properly, as a repairer I have to add a lot of $$$ to a job due to that pain in the arse muck.
Tape the paddle properly, that's all you need. Nobody puts rail tape all over the top front 1/3 of the deck where we see lots of insignificant paddle strikes, do they?

If you want to sell the board later, 10 min with a buffing compound removes all the little smears n stripes on the rail.

Rail tape is the greatest con the industry came up with.

cantSUPenough
VIC, 1925 posts
6 Nov 2019 9:21PM
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Mark _australia said..
I would never use it.

It is a pain to remove when you ding the board properly, as a repairer I have to add a lot of $$$ to a job due to that pain in the arse muck.
Tape the paddle properly, that's all you need. Nobody puts rail tape all over the top front 1/3 of the deck where we see lots of insignificant paddle strikes, do they?

If you want to sell the board later, 10 min with a buffing compound removes all the little smears n stripes on the rail.

Rail tape is the greatest con the industry came up with.


Interesting...

I just bought three boards and three packets of expensive rail tape, but have basically been too lazy/busy to install it. And now I have used the boards and have little marks on the rails.

I was wondering about two issues: a) how hard would it be to remove the marks, and Mark has answered that. But b) does the tape protect the board? With tape on the paddle blade, is it possible to chip the rail or give it a "micro-ding"? I wondered if the thickness of the tape added some "padding" to absorb the impact.

Brenno
QLD, 746 posts
6 Nov 2019 9:02PM
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Mark _australia said..
I would never use it.

It is a pain to remove when you ding the board properly, as a repairer I have to add a lot of $$$ to a job due to that pain in the arse muck.
Tape the paddle properly, that's all you need. Nobody puts rail tape all over the top front 1/3 of the deck where we see lots of insignificant paddle strikes, do they?

If you want to sell the board later, 10 min with a buffing compound removes all the little smears n stripes on the rail.

Rail tape is the greatest con the industry came up with.






Depends on the board.
Yes I wasted my time putting it on my Smik board, you'd have to take an axe to it to damage the coating on the rails. The hexa traction takes care of the 1/3 area you describe.
However if you want to protect the rails on the glossy painted big name boards, it's a good investment if you're looking to offload them.
I agree that taping your paddle, and using it properly, is all you need if you surf a well constructed board, or if you don't give a crap about your poorly constructed expensive one, or cheap piece of poop.
And back to the original question, RSPro is the sh1t, but none of them are super easy to apply. Or remove.

ghost4man
350 posts
6 Nov 2019 7:10PM
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cantSUPenough said..

Mark _australia said..
I would never use it.

It is a pain to remove when you ding the board properly, as a repairer I have to add a lot of $$$ to a job due to that pain in the arse muck.
Tape the paddle properly, that's all you need. Nobody puts rail tape all over the top front 1/3 of the deck where we see lots of insignificant paddle strikes, do they?

If you want to sell the board later, 10 min with a buffing compound removes all the little smears n stripes on the rail.

Rail tape is the greatest con the industry came up with.



Interesting...

I just bought three boards and three packets of expensive rail tape, but have basically been too lazy/busy to install it. And now I have used the boards and have little marks on the rails.

I was wondering about two issues: a) how hard would it be to remove the marks, and Mark has answered that. But b) does the tape protect the board? With tape on the paddle blade, is it possible to chip the rail or give it a "micro-ding"? I wondered if the thickness of the tape added some "padding" to absorb the impact.


I suspect Mark is being a gentleman here because I think a big part of the problem lies with the quality of the workmanship in the boards themselves.

I've been on enough boards and swung enough boards around to know that some makes are more bullet proof than others.

Too many of us want to just get out and play on our boards without paying attention to focusing on things like good paddle technique which can go a long way to preserving your equipment.

colas
3839 posts
6 Nov 2019 8:45PM
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cantSUPenough said..
I wondered if the thickness of the tape added some "padding" to absorb the impact.


Of course, you need some shock absorbing material to dampen the shock between two hard parts, especially if they are carbon. Otherwise you are creating structure-damaging impacts that will trigger unexpected failure down the road. But you don't need a rail tape to protect the rails, and especially the paddle blade, some helicopter tape around the blade is sufficient, or the plastic liner that some blade edges have.

cantSUPenough
VIC, 1925 posts
7 Nov 2019 8:25AM
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colas said..

cantSUPenough said..
I wondered if the thickness of the tape added some "padding" to absorb the impact.



Of course, you need some shock absorbing material to dampen the shock between two hard parts, especially if they are carbon. Otherwise you are creating structure-damaging impacts that will trigger unexpected failure down the road. But you don't need a rail tape to protect the rails, and especially the paddle blade, some helicopter tape around the blade is sufficient, or the plastic liner that some blade edges have.


Do you add rail tape to your boards?

Paddle technique is an interesting topic. Recently I watched a video promoting/teaching the J-stroke, but that results in the paddle being directed towards the board. I have been experimenting with that but it has resulted in extra impacts.

JEG
VIC, 1469 posts
7 Nov 2019 8:54AM
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also, agree with Mark _australia, some of these brands' rail tapes and paddle tapes are a ripoff and also some are too thick or do not stick properly.
a paddle tape is good enough and if you like putting your board side down or to protect from side scratches and damages then a rail tape is another 2nd option. A quick and easy and cheap paddle tape is electrical tape but it won't last long and in my opinion, helicopter tape cut to sizes is the best for both paddle and board.

Kela
58 posts
7 Nov 2019 1:57PM
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I like the RSPro tape I got because it is very thin and short, just enough to protect the impact spot on the rail. Also enough to protect the board when I lay it on side. Seems to be two schools of thought on taping the paddle, don't think I will ever be giving that a go.

MarkW81
VIC, 81 posts
7 Nov 2019 10:19PM
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If you want extra padding on the paddle blade, Clarke Rubber have rubber edging you can tape around the edge.

There's a few different versions, so plenty of options and only about $9 per meter.

Cheers Mark

lam
VIC, 99 posts
8 Nov 2019 10:46AM
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I just wack a bit of electrical tape on my blade it works fine. It wears out after awhile and takes 5 minutes to reapply. Usually use yellow, so if I lose my paddle after getting wiped, which has happened a few times, it is easier to see in the water.

mollydooka
WA, 247 posts
5 Dec 2019 6:44AM
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In over 10 years of supping, I've only attempted to rail tape a board once, and it was such a disaster with numerous bubbles and creases, that I ripped it off and have been taping the paddle ever since.
It was years ago, can't remember which tape, but I think it may have been a cheapie unsuitable for the job.........
This week purchased a new sup (first in years) with dark rails, the sup retailer/distributor strongly recommended rail tape, "apply wet".

Purchased 3M rail tape from local surf shop, the owner said "apply dry, definitely not wet".........

The plethora of youtube videos on this subject almost unanimously recommend applying wet, not to "activate the adhesion" (as someone suggested), but to facilitate application and placement of the tape.
Jimmy Lewis's tutorial is one of the best:



With conflicting advice (dry, wet??) I decided to follow Jimmy's advice (plenty of other similar videos from Rhino sup etc). I applied two 6-foot long sections on each rail (50mm tape), they were easy to place and adjust into position. The hardest, and most time-consuming part of the whole job, was squeegeeing out the bubbles. Couldn't get 100% of them out, but got close. Concerned that this may eventually cause unsticking, time will tell.

Had some tape left over (two 200mm lengths), so decided to extend the coverage towards the tail (it's a 10' sup). I applied those two pieces dry.

Results and observations: the dry method was also easy, and did allow me a little time to re-position. However, there were several bubbles, and they turned out to be impossible to squeegee out, with no soapy water to assist.
Probably the fault of the inexperienced applicator, perhaps someone with more experience could apply sans bubbles........that's okay, the pieces are only 200mm long, and I'll remove them with the aid of De-Solv-It (Bunnings) if bubbles get any worse (as undoubtedly they will over time).
If I rail-tape another board, it'll be done using the same method as in the above Jimmy Lewis video.

My 5-year-old Kwad has never been rail-taped, there are maybe 3 or 4 tiny nicks on the whole board. So do I need rail tape? Probably not.
Several of the above correspondents suggested "paddle-tape only"; been doing that for years, but it does require re-taping (with double layer of insulation tape) regularly.
If I can find some helicopter tape (rang 3M, also known as "blade tape", "leading edge tape", and 8671P), for some reason not that easy here in Perth, eBay has a couple, then I'll continue to tape the paddle too using that.

The Kwad's staying virgin

rockmagnet
QLD, 1378 posts
5 Dec 2019 9:33AM
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I would be curious to know if anyone else is being cut up on legs by sharp edge on rail tape. It seems to be a more recent problem for me and I'm seriously thinking of taking it off.

Goodbye
QLD, 103 posts
5 Dec 2019 12:37PM
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I took all mine off one day on a whim. Just seemed like the thing to do. Haven't missed it!

wazza66
QLD, 497 posts
5 Dec 2019 4:30PM
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Couldn't agree more to taping the blade of your paddle . 90% of rail damage is caused by poor paddling technique and leaning your board up on the rail in the carpark .
I paddled outrigger canoes/skis for 30 years and this is only my opinion for my experience.
Finally don't smash your blade into the rail from poor padldling technique. I have a 4 year old custom board with no rail damage .
Think where you are putting your paddle in and out each stroke.

GreenTea
37 posts
5 Dec 2019 2:32PM
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Don't get Ocean and Earth rail tape.

colas
3839 posts
5 Dec 2019 2:33PM
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mollydooka said..
Several of the above correspondents suggested "paddle-tape only"; been doing that for years, but it does require re-taping (with double layer of insulation tape) regularly.
If I can find some helicopter tape




Yup, Helicopter tape is much more durable than electrical tape.

Helicopter tape should be available easily online, Amazon or others. Look also at bike and car shops.

For resting the board on the car park, I just cut a diamond (slanting the edges) out of a pad, and put in on top of the top of the nose, so that I can lay the board flat upside down on the ground without worries.

ka43
NSW, 2915 posts
5 Dec 2019 6:14PM
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Ion rail tape is great and easy as to apply.

hilly
WA, 5268 posts
5 Dec 2019 3:16PM
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mollydooka said..
However, there were several bubbles, and they turned out to be impossible to squeegee out, with no soapy water to assist.



Very sharp needle, pop the bubble and force air out.

riverider
TAS, 986 posts
5 Dec 2019 7:34PM
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These are worth the $9 at Bunnings for a professional job squeezing out the bubbles.


mollydooka
WA, 247 posts
6 Dec 2019 4:40AM
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hilly said..

mollydooka said..
However, there were several bubbles, and they turned out to be impossible to squeegee out, with no soapy water to assist.




Very sharp needle, pop the bubble and force air out.


ta Hilly, yeah, given that a try already

mollydooka
WA, 247 posts
6 Dec 2019 4:46AM
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riverider said..
These are worth the $9 at Bunnings for a professional job squeezing out the bubbles.



ta riverider, I used this one: www.bunnings.com.au/qep-6-handyman-squeegee_p6821452 which was pretty good but didn't achieve a 100% success rate.
Might invest in the one you've suggested too, always handy to have

colas
3839 posts
6 Dec 2019 2:15PM
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What I have done with an old skate wheel, 1' curtain rod, flat EVA grip... works wonder for pads / hexatraction.







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