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SUV tailgate design issue when board on roof racks

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Created by Gboots 2 months ago, 8 Jun 2019
Gboots
NSW, 703 posts
8 Jun 2019 8:21PM
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I was looking at some SUV's today and I noticed that there could be a design feature that is a problem when carrying a board on racks.My 2003 Honda CRV opens with a side hinge (like a regular car door) . However modern SUV tailgates open "up" and quite high . There happened to be one at the dealer today , a Subaru Forester , with a kayak on top. When I went to lift open tailgate I noticed it could not open fully without hitting board. Even more problematic the door can be operated to automatically lift by pressing the key fob button . So if you had a board on top and accidentally clicked button there could be some bad damage to car and board .Has any recent SUV owner experienced this ?


Gboots
NSW, 703 posts
8 Jun 2019 8:37PM
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This video shows the opening operation and the general height

Hoppo3228
VIC, 327 posts
8 Jun 2019 8:51PM
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you can usually program the desired height that the powered tailgate lifts... it's designed into cars so they don't hit the roof of your garage etc...

Same thing as when you program your seat position for each key...

Gboots
NSW, 703 posts
8 Jun 2019 9:08PM
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Thanks Hoppo. I have read and seen videos about that.
But if you look at the opening angles and height it would the mean the tailgate would only be able to open half way without impacting height.

In this video I have paused and taken screen shot at the height about level with roof and you see how limited the boot opening is.




DaveSandan
VIC, 820 posts
8 Jun 2019 9:18PM
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You will find that when you open from the back you can stop it with your hand before it hits the board. I have mine adjusted for the garage at my place it is pointless adjusting for a board you just need to be diligent and not hit the button inside the car, it is what it is.

Seajuice
NSW, 469 posts
8 Jun 2019 9:23PM
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Nissan XTrail. Cracked the white lense cover whilst strapping my board down with tailgate open. Found some rail tape, cut to same shape as light cover & stuck over top. All good. No water ingress.
But I can still enter the rear with gate up.

Gboots
NSW, 703 posts
8 Jun 2019 10:10PM
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DaveSandan said..
You will find that when you open from the back you can stop it with your hand before it hits the board. I have mine adjusted for the garage at my place it is pointless adjusting for a board you just need to be diligent and not hit the button inside the car, it is what it is.


David . Being diligent about "accidentally" pressing a fob key is not easy .
A crazy vehicle design in my opinion .
Why you would need any door to "fully" open by pressing a button seems over the top and a safety issue .
As you say "it is what it is " as it seems they all seem to have this "feature"
Maybe I am just getting old and grumpy but I prefer less tech . I haven't looked at buying a new car for 16 years . I just realised how practical my old CRV is .

Hoppo3228
VIC, 327 posts
8 Jun 2019 11:00PM
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Mercedes G63's have a side opening tailgate...

Gboots
NSW, 703 posts
8 Jun 2019 11:13PM
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......wtf.....I just saw the price .
That's 100 Sunovas. I would have to sell all of Tardy's boards

Langers
VIC, 71 posts
9 Jun 2019 6:46AM
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I've recently bought a new xtrail and with a board on the roof the tailgate door spoiler hits the board making access very limited. I have noticed nearly all SUVs have this type of spoiler setup. I'd prefer less spoiler and have greater access.

micksmith
VIC, 1320 posts
9 Jun 2019 6:51AM
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Ok this is what you can do, load your car then your board, reverse procedure once arrived at destination.
First world problems eh

Tardy
3065 posts
9 Jun 2019 4:55AM
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twin cab ,triton mate only way to go .only trouble is they are 5250 metres long and very tall ....i had to rearrange my shed

I'm thinking of having a board give away gboots

Gboots
NSW, 703 posts
9 Jun 2019 8:21AM
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Mick Smith have already thought of that but as you know trips with family often require access to the cabin .
It also doesn't deal with the issue of damaging board and vehicle if you accidentally press button on key fob.
Only work around is to adjust opening height as Dave said .
Yes it is a first world problem . Modern vehicle are way to high tech . When they work it's fine . But if a battery goes flat , there are cases where you can't even get in the vehicle to open the bonnet .

Hoppo3228
VIC, 327 posts
9 Jun 2019 8:34AM
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Gboots said..
......wtf.....I just saw the price .
That's 100 Sunovas. I would have to sell all of Tardy's boards


That's what the wink was for , pocket change really

808-Obsession
QLD, 360 posts
9 Jun 2019 10:13AM
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You should try it with a 2 door Mini Cooper hatch...adds a whole other dimension to packing the car & logistics!

supsean
30 posts
9 Jun 2019 8:27AM
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My car let's me set the height and then I just have to pull up hard on again to get it to go to full height This allows me to have it slightly open with the board on top and I can still throw stuff in.

windsurftom
NSW, 255 posts
9 Jun 2019 10:04PM
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My mate had a jeep laredo. Motorised tailgate opened with SUP above and ripped the e roof rails out

DHUPEDNORTH1
WA, 64 posts
10 Jun 2019 9:59AM
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this is why I moved from a Klugar and X-trail (had to pack the car b4 putting the boards on for trips - unfortunate if someone forgot to give me a suitcase...) to a Prado and a FJ Cruiser, both with side opening doors. It was a sacrifice I have come to terms with.

Merrick10
5 posts
10 Jun 2019 10:48AM
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Went through this a while ago and due to height limitations for parking went for a wagon. Found same issue with powered tailgates however found in the settings area the powered function could be switched off and manually operated avoiding accidental openings. You might to check if this is possible on what you are looking at. Recommend you don't rely on the salesperson's advice and check in the showroom.

moogengronko
43 posts
10 Jun 2019 11:23AM
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Put your board under your arm racks and walk to the beach

AW

Area10
1422 posts
11 Jun 2019 3:19AM
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I agree with the general point that cars are becoming too tech-heavy. How bloody lazy do you have to be not to open your own tailgate? Plus, they are usually dog slow and make a stupid noise.

Various considerations have to be made when buying a vehicle if you are a watersports enthusiast. This is one of them. Most vehicles can have the motorised tailgate disabled completely by a mechanic. That's what I would do. But so far I've managed to find vehicles that don't have a motorised tailgate. And I accept that I have to load the car before putting the boards on the rack.

dingfix
57 posts
11 Jun 2019 5:51AM
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Check the manual, some tailgates will sense an obstacle and stop. The one time I didn't press the stop button in time that's exactly what happened. No damage at all. Didn't seem to take much pressure for the tailgate to figure out what was happening.

Helmy
VIC, 678 posts
11 Jun 2019 8:39AM
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I use a trimmed length of clear rail tape over the edge of the tailgate, then let the tailgate go all the way up.
The railtape protects both car and board.
The friction from the boards deckpad over the front roof rack stops the board sliding off.
Looks a bit alarming, but it works

Fitzsup
NSW, 86 posts
11 Jun 2019 9:35AM
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Get sunova to make you a 2 piece board problem solved

CooteSee
VIC, 10 posts
11 Jun 2019 6:46PM
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7' 2" Hypernut......done!

Gboots
NSW, 703 posts
11 Jun 2019 8:01PM
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Well I was at the dealer yesterday and I tested the setting where you can limit the opening . This may be the best workaround if decide to go down this path . Regardless these automated opening designs are short sighted

Nozza
VIC, 2106 posts
11 Jun 2019 8:13PM
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I drive a VW Caravelle with an upward opening tailgate, albeit non powered.
It has tracks / channels whatever you want to call them in the roof that as standard fitment had longitudinal rails in them that you would put cross bars on.
I got Rhino Rack bases that fit in the tracks / channels whatever you call them , that come in various heights. Cross bars go on the bases.
After a false start that had the racks ridiculously high, we managed to get the right height bases so the tailgate could not hit a board on the racks when raised.
See if I can find some photos....

Nerdburger
NSW, 155 posts
11 Jun 2019 10:00PM
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Toyota Prado, side opening door, Toyota Land Cruiser 200 GX rear barn doors. 2 great options, was always a consideration for carrying sup's, windsurfing board and especially ocean ski's etc.
Both awesome board rigs but expensive to buy and run. I have a 78 troopy buts it's not for everyone, basic inside, rides like a truck but goes everywhere and 180 L fuel tanks, can fit bed, fridge and 2 surfboards, 2 windsurf wave board and sup on the roof !!
A bit left field but awesome rigs !!




Nerdburger
NSW, 155 posts
11 Jun 2019 10:05PM
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I had a suburu outback before and it had an electric rear tail gate and integrated roof racks, both features i absolutely grew to hate. Roof racks were narrow, could only get boards on top of each other not side by side for a large car. Nothing fitted it, bike racks, ski racks etc, and to flimsy.
Rear tail gate, you could program open height, but slow, and you could damage boards if you got it wrong. Other than that, great car, but the above 2 were a deal breaker for me !!

rockmagnet
QLD, 1219 posts
12 Jun 2019 9:17PM
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Langers said..
I've recently bought a new xtrail and with a board on the roof the tailgate door spoiler hits the board making access very limited. I have noticed nearly all SUVs have this type of spoiler setup. I'd prefer less spoiler and have greater access.


Same problem, wish I had bought a sedan again instead of Nissan XTrail > My Mazda 3 never had this problem.



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