So I sold my Sea gypsy to my mate. What to do with the money?
Stupid question. Buy another board of course. Took a while to get here as all but one of the surfboard couriers stopped except Chris from the central coast.
A knock on the door this morning and there it was. A rare beast too.
8' Sunova 8 ball. Super refined board. Rails that you'd find on a shortboard. Plenty of rocker too. Really light but with the look and feel of a quality board.
Came with a set of Asher Pacey twins and trailer. Since the waves were only thigh high I took the trailer fin out. Luckily it was clean and tide bottoming out. First couple of waves were left's and I set the rail but couldn't turn it at all as I was standing too far forward. Started grabbing my rail and riding the sucky parts of the wave with more success. Then I had time to scoot back as I stood up further along the wave to do some turns.
Forehand was a heap easier. Anyway had a lot of fun it. Mate came out and enjoyed his first surf on a 7'2" hotdogger. We discussed the numerous good points about riding midlength boards.
Reckon the board would go great with just a small quad set.
A couple more surfs on the board. The rails are "Ninja" rails. Not forgiving and you have to be on your game with weighting and un-weighting in turns. Tried Moonraker (Outer islands surfboards signature fins) quad fronts and gxq rears yesterday. Small waves again but the board felt too stiff. Today I ran it with just a set of Modii twins which free'd it right up. More base than the Asher Pacey twins but with less tip area than the Ashers. As soon as the waves have some push (which could be a while by the dismal forecast) I'll run it with a trailer in the centre thruster plugs. This board will light up when its juicey for sure. Burt Berger's penchant for making refined boards that work on surface area balanced with minimal volume are interesting to ride.
Select to expand quoteCuttlefish said..
A couple more surfs on the board. The rails are "Ninja" rails. Not forgiving and you have to be on your game with weighting and un-weighting in turns. Tried Moonraker (Outer islands surfboards signature fins) quad fronts and gxq rears yesterday. Small waves again but the board felt too stiff. Today I ran it with just a set of Modii twins which free'd it right up. More base than the Asher Pacey twins but with less tip area than the Ashers. As soon as the waves have some push (which could be a while by the dismal forecast) I'll run it with a trailer in the centre thruster plugs. This board will light up when its juicey for sure. Burt Berger's penchant for making refined boards that work on surface area balanced with minimal volume are interesting to ride.
Should have invested in a Webber Diamond mate.
Seriously under rated and under appreciated design.
Bucket list it.
If I ever have one pop up used near by me for the right price (a precursor for many of my board purchases) I will grab one. The Sunova fits in with the other boards I have as a better wave board for the points and maybe beachbreaks I surf where i want the length for its paddle power.
Select to expand quoteCuttlefish said..
If I ever have one pop up used near by me for the right price (a precursor for many of my board purchases) I will grab one. The Sunova fits in with the other boards I have as a better wave board for the points and maybe beachbreaks I surf where i want the length for its paddle power.
I'm just under 85 kg, the Webber is 6'10 and 46L.
It's got plenty of paddle speed and pulls just about every wave I aim at without too much bother.
The sub 7' length and twin fin setup make it very manoeuvrable, but still able to draw out really nice lines and carve an awesome rail.
A?ything higher volume or loner for me seems to really change the dynamic much more towards a Longboard.
And being a lazy surfer I hate walking the plank ;-) Although I do like to nose ride through fat sections and watch all the twig surfers show their envy.
Select to expand quoteHydromann said..Cuttlefish said..
If I ever have one pop up used near by me for the right price (a precursor for many of my board purchases) I will grab one. The Sunova fits in with the other boards I have as a better wave board for the points and maybe beachbreaks I surf where i want the length for its paddle power.
I'm just under 85 kg, the Webber is 6'10 and 46L.
It's got plenty of paddle speed and pulls just about every wave I aim at without too much bother.
The sub 7' length and twin fin setup make it very manoeuvrable, but still able to draw out really nice lines and carve an awesome rail.
A?ything higher volume or loner for me seems to really change the dynamic much more towards a Longboard.
And being a lazy surfer I hate walking the plank ;-) Although I do like to nose ride through fat sections and watch all the twig surfers show their envy.
The twigs must be so pumped they get to surf with a low key modest ripper.
I imagine they feel like a Buddhist worshipping at the the feet of the Dali lama. 
Select to expand quoteSP said..Hydromann said..Cuttlefish said..
If I ever have one pop up used near by me for the right price (a precursor for many of my board purchases) I will grab one. The Sunova fits in with the other boards I have as a better wave board for the points and maybe beachbreaks I surf where i want the length for its paddle power.
I'm just under 85 kg, the Webber is 6'10 and 46L.
It's got plenty of paddle speed and pulls just about every wave I aim at without too much bother.
The sub 7' length and twin fin setup make it very manoeuvrable, but still able to draw out really nice lines and carve an awesome rail.
A?ything higher volume or loner for me seems to really change the dynamic much more towards a Longboard.
And being a lazy surfer I hate walking the plank ;-) Although I do like to nose ride through fat sections and watch all the twig surfers show their envy.
The twigs must be so pumped they get to surf with a low key modest ripper.
I imagine they feel like a Buddhist worshipping at the the feet of the Dali lama.
Stop it SP,this is a bloke who has surfed two boards and is telling someone who has owned a squilion boards that one should be on his bucket list
Now go away grasshopper and learn from one of seabreezes most knowledgeable before you chime in with that all that foofah 
Select to expand quotechrispy said..SP said..Hydromann said..Cuttlefish said..
If I ever have one pop up used near by me for the right price (a precursor for many of my board purchases) I will grab one. The Sunova fits in with the other boards I have as a better wave board for the points and maybe beachbreaks I surf where i want the length for its paddle power.
I'm just under 85 kg, the Webber is 6'10 and 46L.
It's got plenty of paddle speed and pulls just about every wave I aim at without too much bother.
The sub 7' length and twin fin setup make it very manoeuvrable, but still able to draw out really nice lines and carve an awesome rail.
A?ything higher volume or loner for me seems to really change the dynamic much more towards a Longboard.
And being a lazy surfer I hate walking the plank ;-) Although I do like to nose ride through fat sections and watch all the twig surfers show their envy.
The twigs must be so pumped they get to surf with a low key modest ripper.
I imagine they feel like a Buddhist worshipping at the the feet of the Dali lama.
Stop it SP,this is a bloke who has surfed two boards and is telling someone who has owned a squilion boards that one should be on his bucket list
Now go away grasshopper and learn from one of seabreezes most knowledgeable before you chime in with that all that foofah
Was not trying to tell CF what to do or ride or buy, just sharing my enthusiasm for a sled that is great.
And BTW I have ridden many more than 2 boards, have only posted here about 2 specific boards that I have enjoyed riding.
Fairly presumptuous of you both to base your great wisdom and observation on partial knowledge and insight, but that is what I have come to expect.
Oh and getting back to the insulting thing and name calling. I was thinking around what we where discussing in that specific topic, not all past thread contributions and discussions or context.
So my apologies for the oversight in understanding that we can dredge any past discussion or comments up and use them out of context. The rules that you guys apply are now becoming apparent to me, and I'm sure to any other thinking person that frequents this place.
Have a great day guys, and yes I am being sincere and not cynical.
Select to expand quoteHydromann said..chrispy said..SP said..Hydromann said..Cuttlefish said..
If I ever have one pop up used near by me for the right price (a precursor for many of my board purchases) I will grab one. The Sunova fits in with the other boards I have as a better wave board for the points and maybe beachbreaks I surf where i want the length for its paddle power.
I'm just under 85 kg, the Webber is 6'10 and 46L.
It's got plenty of paddle speed and pulls just about every wave I aim at without too much bother.
The sub 7' length and twin fin setup make it very manoeuvrable, but still able to draw out really nice lines and carve an awesome rail.
A?ything higher volume or loner for me seems to really change the dynamic much more towards a Longboard.
And being a lazy surfer I hate walking the plank ;-) Although I do like to nose ride through fat sections and watch all the twig surfers show their envy.
The twigs must be so pumped they get to surf with a low key modest ripper.
I imagine they feel like a Buddhist worshipping at the the feet of the Dali lama.
Stop it SP,this is a bloke who has surfed two boards and is telling someone who has owned a squilion boards that one should be on his bucket list
Now go away grasshopper and learn from one of seabreezes most knowledgeable before you chime in with that all that foofah
Was not trying to tell CF what to do or ride or buy, just sharing my enthusiasm for a sled that is great.
And BTW I have ridden many more than 2 boards, have only posted here about 2 specific boards that I have enjoyed riding.
Fairly presumptuous of you both to base your great wisdom and observation on partial knowledge and insight, but that is what I have come to expect.
Oh and getting back to the insulting thing and name calling. I was thinking around what we where discussing in that specific topic, not all past thread contributions and discussions or context.
So my apologies for the oversight in understanding that we can dredge any past discussion or comments up and use them out of context. The rules that you guys apply are now becoming apparent to me, and I'm sure to any other thinking person that frequents this place.
Have a great day guys, and yes I am being sincere and not cynical.
Bahaha only going on information that you give,and taking words outta context is your specialty bro
You came on here exclaiming you knew f'all about anything ...nek minnut you are a world renowned genius on everything from twin fins and board design,marketing scams ,virus control, idiot dickhead people who do not do or think like you,name calling...geez i need a breath...and then you come up with that,yeh ok then
So yeh nah with your funny stuff mate....as i said before,the porcupine will do whatever it has to to be what they think is their right
You enjoy the day as well,i am trialing no knead bread,and so far it looks amazing. Will post pics later if i feel cute 
Select to expand quotechrispy said..Hydromann said..chrispy said..SP said..Hydromann said..Cuttlefish said..
If I ever have one pop up used near by me for the right price (a precursor for many of my board purchases) I will grab one. The Sunova fits in with the other boards I have as a better wave board for the points and maybe beachbreaks I surf where i want the length for its paddle power.
I'm just under 85 kg, the Webber is 6'10 and 46L.
It's got plenty of paddle speed and pulls just about every wave I aim at without too much bother.
The sub 7' length and twin fin setup make it very manoeuvrable, but still able to draw out really nice lines and carve an awesome rail.
A?ything higher volume or loner for me seems to really change the dynamic much more towards a Longboard.
And being a lazy surfer I hate walking the plank ;-) Although I do like to nose ride through fat sections and watch all the twig surfers show their envy.
The twigs must be so pumped they get to surf with a low key modest ripper.
I imagine they feel like a Buddhist worshipping at the the feet of the Dali lama.
Stop it SP,this is a bloke who has surfed two boards and is telling someone who has owned a squilion boards that one should be on his bucket list
Now go away grasshopper and learn from one of seabreezes most knowledgeable before you chime in with that all that foofah
Was not trying to tell CF what to do or ride or buy, just sharing my enthusiasm for a sled that is great.
And BTW I have ridden many more than 2 boards, have only posted here about 2 specific boards that I have enjoyed riding.
Fairly presumptuous of you both to base your great wisdom and observation on partial knowledge and insight, but that is what I have come to expect.
Oh and getting back to the insulting thing and name calling. I was thinking around what we where discussing in that specific topic, not all past thread contributions and discussions or context.
So my apologies for the oversight in understanding that we can dredge any past discussion or comments up and use them out of context. The rules that you guys apply are now becoming apparent to me, and I'm sure to any other thinking person that frequents this place.
Have a great day guys, and yes I am being sincere and not cynical.
Bahaha only going on information that you give,and taking words outta context is your specialty bro
You came on here exclaiming you knew f'all about anything ...nek minnut you are a world renowned genius on everything from twin fins and board design,marketing scams ,virus control, idiot dickhead people who do not do or think like you,name calling...geez i need a breath...and then you come up with that,yeh ok then
So yeh nah with your funny stuff mate....as i said before,the porcupine will do whatever it has to to be what they think is their right
You enjoy the day as well,i am trialing no knead bread,and so far it looks amazing. Will post pics later if i feel cute
Sorry to come across that way, what you also don't seem to realise is that my field of specialty is hydrodynamic engineering, CAD modelling and fluid dynamics. So it's not a great leap to apply those fundamentals in a rational and logical way to various shapes and designs.
Was not trying to come across as the dickhead you see me as and apologies to any and all for that offence. Just trying to share my thoughts and to learn based on my experience and knowledge, that did involve sometimes calling people on their claims based on supposed reputation without any validation or proofs.
Will try harder to be less prickly to you and SP in the future, but will still say what I think and debate accordingly.
And no I'm not like your mates, most people who know me and my character beyond a keyboard interpretation generally respect and value my opinions that are based on facts rather than simple assumptions or general consensus because so and so said so.
That aside, your bread smells nice. Whack some butter on it and enjoy.
Select to expand quotechrispy said..
7'2 x 22 x 3 twinny at 52 litres for the litre lovers
Did you shape this? Beautiful looking piece of functional art.
What would a 6'10 or 6'8 come in at volume and price wise?
Select to expand quoteHydromann said..chrispy said..Hydromann said..chrispy said..SP said..Hydromann said..Cuttlefish said..
If I ever have one pop up used near by me for the right price (a precursor for many of my board purchases) I will grab one. The Sunova fits in with the other boards I have as a better wave board for the points and maybe beachbreaks I surf where i want the length for its paddle power.
I'm just under 85 kg, the Webber is 6'10 and 46L.
It's got plenty of paddle speed and pulls just about every wave I aim at without too much bother.
The sub 7' length and twin fin setup make it very manoeuvrable, but still able to draw out really nice lines and carve an awesome rail.
A?ything higher volume or loner for me seems to really change the dynamic much more towards a Longboard.
And being a lazy surfer I hate walking the plank ;-) Although I do like to nose ride through fat sections and watch all the twig surfers show their envy.
The twigs must be so pumped they get to surf with a low key modest ripper.
I imagine they feel like a Buddhist worshipping at the the feet of the Dali lama.
Stop it SP,this is a bloke who has surfed two boards and is telling someone who has owned a squilion boards that one should be on his bucket list
Now go away grasshopper and learn from one of seabreezes most knowledgeable before you chime in with that all that foofah
Was not trying to tell CF what to do or ride or buy, just sharing my enthusiasm for a sled that is great.
And BTW I have ridden many more than 2 boards, have only posted here about 2 specific boards that I have enjoyed riding.
Fairly presumptuous of you both to base your great wisdom and observation on partial knowledge and insight, but that is what I have come to expect.
Oh and getting back to the insulting thing and name calling. I was thinking around what we where discussing in that specific topic, not all past thread contributions and discussions or context.
So my apologies for the oversight in understanding that we can dredge any past discussion or comments up and use them out of context. The rules that you guys apply are now becoming apparent to me, and I'm sure to any other thinking person that frequents this place.
Have a great day guys, and yes I am being sincere and not cynical.
Bahaha only going on information that you give,and taking words outta context is your specialty bro
You came on here exclaiming you knew f'all about anything ...nek minnut you are a world renowned genius on everything from twin fins and board design,marketing scams ,virus control, idiot dickhead people who do not do or think like you,name calling...geez i need a breath...and then you come up with that,yeh ok then
So yeh nah with your funny stuff mate....as i said before,the porcupine will do whatever it has to to be what they think is their right
You enjoy the day as well,i am trialing no knead bread,and so far it looks amazing. Will post pics later if i feel cute
Sorry to come across that way, what you also don't seem to realise is that my field of specialty is hydrodynamic engineering, CAD modelling and fluid dynamics. So it's not a great leap to apply those fundamentals in a rational and logical way to various shapes and designs.
Was not trying to come across as the dickhead you see me as and apologies to any and all for that offence. Just trying to share my thoughts and to learn based on my experience and knowledge, that did involve sometimes calling people on their claims based on supposed reputation without any validation or proofs.
Will try harder to be less prickly to you and SP in the future, but will still say what I think and debate accordingly.
And no I'm not like your mates, most people who know me and my character beyond a keyboard interpretation generally respect and value my opinions that are based on facts rather than simple assumptions or general consensus because so and so said so.
That aside, your bread smells nice. Whack some butter on it and enjoy.
Oh don't be so sensitive. If one of my mates said they were ripping and teaching people a thing or too I'd rip the piss out of the mercilessly. Much worse than my comment above.
You seem great at handing out sly digs and then becoming a delicate flower when anyone else says anything in your direction.
Select to expand quoteSP said..Hydromann said..chrispy said..Hydromann said..chrispy said..SP said..Hydromann said..Cuttlefish said..
If I ever have one pop up used near by me for the right price (a precursor for many of my board purchases) I will grab one. The Sunova fits in with the other boards I have as a better wave board for the points and maybe beachbreaks I surf where i want the length for its paddle power.
I'm just under 85 kg, the Webber is 6'10 and 46L.
It's got plenty of paddle speed and pulls just about every wave I aim at without too much bother.
The sub 7' length and twin fin setup make it very manoeuvrable, but still able to draw out really nice lines and carve an awesome rail.
A?ything higher volume or loner for me seems to really change the dynamic much more towards a Longboard.
And being a lazy surfer I hate walking the plank ;-) Although I do like to nose ride through fat sections and watch all the twig surfers show their envy.
The twigs must be so pumped they get to surf with a low key modest ripper.
I imagine they feel like a Buddhist worshipping at the the feet of the Dali lama.
Stop it SP,this is a bloke who has surfed two boards and is telling someone who has owned a squilion boards that one should be on his bucket list
Now go away grasshopper and learn from one of seabreezes most knowledgeable before you chime in with that all that foofah
Was not trying to tell CF what to do or ride or buy, just sharing my enthusiasm for a sled that is great.
And BTW I have ridden many more than 2 boards, have only posted here about 2 specific boards that I have enjoyed riding.
Fairly presumptuous of you both to base your great wisdom and observation on partial knowledge and insight, but that is what I have come to expect.
Oh and getting back to the insulting thing and name calling. I was thinking around what we where discussing in that specific topic, not all past thread contributions and discussions or context.
So my apologies for the oversight in understanding that we can dredge any past discussion or comments up and use them out of context. The rules that you guys apply are now becoming apparent to me, and I'm sure to any other thinking person that frequents this place.
Have a great day guys, and yes I am being sincere and not cynical.
Bahaha only going on information that you give,and taking words outta context is your specialty bro
You came on here exclaiming you knew f'all about anything ...nek minnut you are a world renowned genius on everything from twin fins and board design,marketing scams ,virus control, idiot dickhead people who do not do or think like you,name calling...geez i need a breath...and then you come up with that,yeh ok then
So yeh nah with your funny stuff mate....as i said before,the porcupine will do whatever it has to to be what they think is their right
You enjoy the day as well,i am trialing no knead bread,and so far it looks amazing. Will post pics later if i feel cute
Sorry to come across that way, what you also don't seem to realise is that my field of specialty is hydrodynamic engineering, CAD modelling and fluid dynamics. So it's not a great leap to apply those fundamentals in a rational and logical way to various shapes and designs.
Was not trying to come across as the dickhead you see me as and apologies to any and all for that offence. Just trying to share my thoughts and to learn based on my experience and knowledge, that did involve sometimes calling people on their claims based on supposed reputation without any validation or proofs.
Will try harder to be less prickly to you and SP in the future, but will still say what I think and debate accordingly.
And no I'm not like your mates, most people who know me and my character beyond a keyboard interpretation generally respect and value my opinions that are based on facts rather than simple assumptions or general consensus because so and so said so.
That aside, your bread smells nice. Whack some butter on it and enjoy.
Oh don't be so sensitive. If one of my mates said they were ripping and teaching people a thing or too I'd rip the piss out of the mercilessly. Much worse than my comment above.
You seem great at handing out sly digs and then becoming a delicate flower when anyone else says anything in your direction.
Holy geez SP you just described my oldest brother to a T.
Select to expand quoteMacaha said..
Oh the mid length era was once a time of freedom and love
6'10 is not a midlength
It's mostly middle age blokes with duck all talent, that is slipping away quicker than their hair and fitness trying to get an advantage on younger fitter shortboarders.
You know like longboarders that don't nose ride. ???
? or those blokes on gliders.
Select to expand quoteSP said..Macaha said..
Oh the mid length era was once a time of freedom and love
6'10 is not a midlength
It's mostly middle age blokes with duck all talent, that is slipping away quicker than their hair and fitness trying to get an advantage on younger fitter shortboarders.
You know like longboarders that don't nose ride. ???? or those blokes on gliders.
Ha Ha yep Thats me
Select to expand quoteSP said..Macaha said..
Oh the mid length era was once a time of freedom and love
6'10 is not a midlength
It's mostly middle age blokes with duck all talent, that is slipping away quicker than their hair and fitness trying to get an advantage on younger fitter shortboarders.
You know like longboarders that don't nose ride. ???? or those blokes on gliders.
I've got a 6'8"-6'10" on order from a young, predominantly shortboard shaper . I think you just nailed me to a tee.
Does having a 7'2"-7'6" on order from a shaper with grey hair save my lack of talent, Youth and fitness from being sadly pathetic?
(the shortboard has no specific length as I told him to fit in certain design things but left the rest up to him. The mid-length has no specific length because he is awaiting blanks so I haven't locked in a length yet)
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..
Love is in air
I can smell the flowers from here.
Select to expand quoteMacaha said..laceys lane said..
Love is in air
I can smell the flowers from here.
Hey mac , how come when you and i get boards we are dickheads.
When others do they are experts.
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..Macaha said..laceys lane said..
Love is in air
I can smell the flowers from here.
Hey mac , how come when you and i get boards were are dickheads.
When others do they are experts.
Its got nothing to do with getting boards mate.
WE ARE DICKHEADS
Select to expand quoteCuttlefish said..
A couple more surfs on the board. The rails are "Ninja" rails. Not forgiving and you have to be on your game with weighting and un-weighting in turns. Tried Moonraker (Outer islands surfboards signature fins) quad fronts and gxq rears yesterday. Small waves again but the board felt too stiff. Today I ran it with just a set of Modii twins which free'd it right up. More base than the Asher Pacey twins but with less tip area than the Ashers. As soon as the waves have some push (which could be a while by the dismal forecast) I'll run it with a trailer in the centre thruster plugs. This board will light up when its juicey for sure. Burt Berger's penchant for making refined boards that work on surface area balanced with minimal volume are interesting to ride.
Stop teasing, just sell it and post up your next acquisition ha ha ha
Have you seen those s wings fins? Free international shipping and 5 days to Australia,.... One set could fire up your sunova into a small wave dream machine
Select to expand quoteMacaha said..laceys lane said..Macaha said..laceys lane said..
Love is in air
I can smell the flowers from here.
Hey mac , how come when you and i get boards were are dickheads.
When others do they are experts.
Its got nothing to do with getting boards mate.
WE ARE DICKHEADS
Speak for yourself
Select to expand quoteonefin said..Cuttlefish said..
A couple more surfs on the board. The rails are "Ninja" rails. Not forgiving and you have to be on your game with weighting and un-weighting in turns. Tried Moonraker (Outer islands surfboards signature fins) quad fronts and gxq rears yesterday. Small waves again but the board felt too stiff. Today I ran it with just a set of Modii twins which free'd it right up. More base than the Asher Pacey twins but with less tip area than the Ashers. As soon as the waves have some push (which could be a while by the dismal forecast) I'll run it with a trailer in the centre thruster plugs. This board will light up when its juicey for sure. Burt Berger's penchant for making refined boards that work on surface area balanced with minimal volume are interesting to ride.
Stop teasing, just sell it and post up your next acquisition ha ha ha
Have you seen those s wings fins? Free international shipping and 5 days to Australia,.... One set could fire up your sunova into a small wave dream machine
What no link?
The Sunova won't overtake the new 7'6" I run with the big flex twins for small wave fun no matter what fins I put in it. The tail area is the big difference there.
There's some tasty looking Hanalei (or however you spell it) fins on eBay that I saw.
www.ebay.com.au/itm/HANALEI-FINS-Futures-bases-WS-Split-Keel-Quad-set-HRD-KORE-Powerful-Dynamic/223980126937?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Hey Chrispy, any insight you can give on these?
The front fins have less area than the rears and then they have the parabolic trailing edge in the rear fins as well.
Know you've posted some of yours before.
Select to expand quoteRicardo1709 said..SP said..Macaha said..
Oh the mid length era was once a time of freedom and love
6'10 is not a midlength
It's mostly middle age blokes with duck all talent, that is slipping away quicker than their hair and fitness trying to get an advantage on younger fitter shortboarders.
You know like longboarders that don't nose ride. ???? or those blokes on gliders.
Ha Ha yep Thats me
Post was auto biographical . Was going to make a joke about getting fat too but didn't want to offend myself.
Select to expand quoteSP said..Macaha said..
Oh the mid length era was once a time of freedom and love
6'10 is not a midlength
It's mostly middle age blokes with duck all talent, that is slipping away quicker than their hair and fitness trying to get an advantage on younger fitter shortboarders.
You know like longboarders that don't nose ride. ???? or those blokes on gliders.
Guilty as charged
