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Are we able to sail?

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Created by Kazza 1 month ago, 1 Apr 2020
Kazza
TAS, 2294 posts
1 Apr 2020 8:07AM
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Hi Mr President of WT. (Mort)
To stop all the confusion are you able to find out if we are able to go windsurfing at places in our neighbourhood. Dorans Rd is only 5 mins drive for me & Lauderdale front beach I can walk my gear to. I can understand not long drives to a spot and a lot of the ocean beaches are closed anyway. It's doing my head in not knowing and nothing is brought up about it on the Premiers updates.
Even though the cars in spots may seem like we're all mingling to the public and police but we're pretty well spaced out rigging and derigging at different times and out sailing totally isolated.
Windsurfing is my stress release and good for mental health.
So to put my mind at rest can you find out and report back, then we all know where we stand.

martyj4
254 posts
1 Apr 2020 6:09AM
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HI Kaz,
I'm no authority on this. And this is MY interpretation, not some legally binding one. For all I know I may be wrong.
I read the ABC article below and it would seem to me (and correct me if I'm wrong), that exercise is permitted. So I would take it to mean windsurfing is ok - provided that we don't have more than 2 congregating in 1 location. Now how that may be interpretted is anyones guess. For example, I'm not sure if we have 7 cars roll up at Dorans, whether the authorities will jump up and down about that even if we are all 1.5m apart and not sailing as a group? And if someone needs rescuing I think that will technically mean only 1 other person can go to assist.

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/new-coronavirus-spot-checks-in-force-in-tasmania/12103584

As for travelling to Marion, Kelvo or Marrawah, well I won't comment on that.
I'll still be sailing locally at Nutgrove when it's suitable.

DaveW01
TAS, 24 posts
1 Apr 2020 12:56PM
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Yep that's how I read it Marty. You can go out for exercise, must not be with more than 1 person outside of your household, and not travel any distance (to avoid spreading bugs around ). Examples they give are horse riding, golf etc

Personally I would sail/exercise at Lindisfarne which is 2 mins down the road. But not at Park or closed beaches. Conscious also not be a nuisance for our medical system so I will self limit to double forwards instead of triples

clarence
TAS, 963 posts
1 Apr 2020 4:23PM
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I would agree with the above interpretations.

Windsurfing is exercise. Usually we are well over 1.5m from the nearest person.

No different to golf or horseriding, which were used as examples from memory.

I think it is a case of parking and rigging up away from others.

I think it would be a little unwise to ask for an "official" response as the authorities are flat out. They may simply state an "official NO" if asked- out of expediency rather than logic.

waynos
TAS, 166 posts
1 Apr 2020 4:57PM
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There are currently 3 blokes fishing off the pontoon out the front of my place, that's not excercise or essential activity. So windsurfing at your local should get the thumbs up. The mayor of Rosevears was sailing on my way home from work last night

Mort67
TAS, 345 posts
1 Apr 2020 6:16PM
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I'm a bit late to this discussion, but I am interpreting personal exercise to include windsurfing.

Allowing for sensible precautions and social distancing on land, rigging etc.. I would suggest that there wouldn't be any risks imposed by our sport.

As an additional precaution I also combine a trip to the bottleshop with windsurfing as that is defined as an essential service!
Mort




Mort67
TAS, 345 posts
1 Apr 2020 6:46PM
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On a more serious note, I can seek advice from Govt/Health from an official perspective if required.

However, given that activities including recreational boating are out under the Federal announcements, then the question becomes one of recreation vs exercise. In the first instance a question to the AWA is appropriate as well as Tas Health. I'll try tomorrow.

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-01/coronavirus-forces-leisure-boats-out-of-the-water/12107568

Mort
I just ready Johnny Hueyts post. Good pointer for start,
Edit: according to ABC Tasmania report from yesterday. " Exercising outdoors is permitted, but the two-person rule applies.Recreational boating is still allowed if it is deemed essential, as long as the two-person limit " so no more clarity there

Mort67
TAS, 345 posts
1 Apr 2020 7:24PM
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clarence
TAS, 963 posts
1 Apr 2020 8:02PM
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There has been a bit of discussion about this in the Australian Windsurifing Association.

The interpretation is subject to local variations, and could change at any time.

Probably the key "take home message" is that as a community we are seen to act responsibly - i.e. make a genuine effort to park, rig up etc away from other windsurfers and other members of the public. Or, for example, windsurf at a place where there are less surfers, paddlers, walkers, etc.

Clarence

geared4knots
TAS, 2575 posts
1 Apr 2020 9:03PM
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Its all bloody common sense guys.
Two windsurfers at Dorans yesterday.
Even the authorities dont kmow what is wrong or right at the moment.. I spoke to Parks today about beach access and they had no real answer - debatable as to right or wrong!. ( Parks run high to low water mark all round Tassie -- all parks areas closed), also what if access a parks carpark to get on private land etc etc.
Use common sense and abide what you have been told and you will be ok..

you are not breaking the law if you drive to you local.- follow social distance guides.
but if you live at middleton and you have to travel to Dorans it is not illegal but not advised.
Having said that wedge is full of surfers today , park is full of surfers today etc etc.
Lauderdale beach had 3 sup boards out, 3 kayaks, and multiple couples wakling-- carpark mostly full... compare that to Dorans carpark with 10 guys out- no different.
use your brain and decide what you think is reasonable under the guidlines that are out there.

HANG ON!! Peter Gutwin just about to speak about windsurfing!! FFS
Dont worry only a special relief package to help the 20% rise in gear next season...

jimo
TAS, 132 posts
1 Apr 2020 9:26PM
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Just found this in regards to boating and fishing rules as they are considered as a form of exercise (similar rules are also for hunting) - looks like it is OK to travel as long as you can ensure that you are back to your primary place of residence on the same day. That says to me that reasonably local windsurfing sessions (like Bell Buoy or Lagoon for us northerners) should still be fine, keeping in mind social distancing rules, i.e. max 2 people and 2 meter distance when rigging/sailing and no hanging out at the beach after the session.

www.coronavirus.tas.gov.au/families-community/gatherings-faqs/boating-and-fishing-faqs


Steve Charles
TAS, 1152 posts
1 Apr 2020 10:19PM
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Doesn't mater as there is no wind Well down south at least

clarence
TAS, 963 posts
1 Apr 2020 11:18PM
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jimo said..
Just found this in regards to boating and fishing rules as they are considered as a form of exercise (similar rules are also for hunting) - looks like it is OK to travel as long as you can ensure that you are back to your primary place of residence on the same day. That says to me that reasonably local windsurfing sessions (like Bell Buoy or Lagoon for us northerners) should still be fine, keeping in mind social distancing rules, i.e. max 2 people and 2 meter distance when rigging/sailing and no hanging out at the beach after the session.

www.coronavirus.tas.gov.au/families-community/gatherings-faqs/boating-and-fishing-faqs




Good link Luka- that would have to cover it surely.

The big issue would be congregations in specific areas like Park Beach last weekend.

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-28/park-beach-carpark-full-1/12099556

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Mort67
TAS, 345 posts
2 Apr 2020 7:35AM
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The page linked to Luka's FAQ above also states
coronavirus.tas.gov.au/families-community/gatherings-faqs


Similarly, golf, horseriding and hunting are considered forms of exercise which require travel from the home, which are OK if conducted in groups of 2 or less and practicing social distancing.

Having said that... there's a dilemma approaching .




geared4knots
TAS, 2575 posts
2 Apr 2020 7:36AM
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Yeah and the guy who was right in the middle of those cars standing out like dogs balls doesnt like it being mentioned!!
A surfer from another forum- idiots i say

geared4knots
TAS, 2575 posts
2 Apr 2020 8:24PM
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And lets not forget that a lot of us are lucky having a local beach only 5 minutes away . Most windsurfers dont live near the water, and have no choice but to travel to get to the sailing spots .
Lets be fair to everyone and make each person decide what they think is fair/currently acceptable , to get to/or sail at what ever beach.
Once there everyone knows about the social distancing and group number law as it stands at the moment.

geared4knots
TAS, 2575 posts
3 Apr 2020 1:13PM
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Quite a bit of debate in the surfing community- probably worth following outcome.

from surfing Tasmania Facebook page this morning.
Surfing Tasmania
2 hrs ago
BEACH CLOSURES.
As of this morning we have not received a reply to our letter to the Premier seeking clarification of where surfing is now allowed.
Accordingly Surfing Tasmania's advice to members is that all land managed by Parks and Wildlife are closed to the public, irrespective of where you live. Surfing or being on the beach is illegal. Fines may be imposed.
While beaches under municipal or crown land management remain open, if you are not a resident, you must be able to justify your reason for travelling there. Safe distance practices apply.
We will advise further if this position changes.
Michael Lawrence
President
Surfing Tasmania

MatStirl
TAS, 111 posts
3 Apr 2020 11:34PM
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Banning excercise on the mountain when you live at the foot of it or access to beaches when you live near them although well intentioned is pretty ridiculous. Hobart is not Bondi where 5M flock to one of a few beaches on a hot day.

Personally I'd rather exercise or walk the dog on a beach or mtn track than a footpath.

Our family went to Clifton on Sat. Didn't get near any others and although carpark was full we obviously didn't all arrive at same time and wasn't an issue.

Like others said use common sense - don't travel too much if you can/hang out in big groups and give the precious misinformed minority a reason to go to the media.

Relic
TAS, 793 posts
4 Apr 2020 6:59AM
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The commonsense approach is most appropriate given the current situation and serious dilemma caused by restrictions.
For example grear selection. The equipment pictured contravenes Standing Order 12. UP/YRR BT. section d. Windsurfers shall not use sailboards designed "pour plus de une planceur" or don pirate attire, converse in French or take more than one mistress. PPE is requires when in company with said mistress. I have an instructional video. However it may be too explicit for some of our more puritanical members. PM me if you would like to avail yourself of what is a very well produced OH&S filum.z


In terms of adherence to Social Distancing ordinance 3b.wa #.c. The very handy table below should be of assistance for those wondering ; what distance should I maintain whist in motion.
"Spedies" equipped with GPS are at a distinct advantage having a device to accurately determine velocity.
All others will be required to equip themselves with said device under Subsection 33. FU2 in order to determine velocity and therefore a safe distance from any other craft in the immediate vicinity.
The table below whist not specifically for Sailboarders provides a guide. However under Ordinance C.a.n.tUN Sea. BL0((0(k55
Lycra wearing will result in immediate detention and isolation for the period of six months in a retraining facility for exhibitionists. The period of detention will also include manditory Latte detoxification and reeducation regarding non adulteration of coffee.


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Finally I terms of the permissible distance to travel in order to partake in sailboarding excersise activities;
Under Ordinance 4.b. FRGT Mlk; Provided said windsurfer makes a stop at an essential service en-route to from the location of excersise, what otherwise may have been deemed excessive travel shall be permitted.

I trust this eddition of Relic's Ramble clarifies the situation for all concerned. As always I am willing and able to provide serious, meaningful assistance for those who struggle establishing neurone connections.

grahamn
TAS, 159 posts
4 Apr 2020 9:19AM
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Just wondering who " the precious misinformed minority" are MatStirl

Relic
TAS, 793 posts
4 Apr 2020 12:18PM
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Relic said..
The commonsense approach is most appropriate given the current situation and serious dilemma caused by restrictions.
For example grear selection. The equipment pictured contravenes Standing Order 12. UP/YRR BT. section d. Windsurfers shall not use sailboards designed "pour plus de une planceur" or don pirate attire, converse in French or take more than one mistress. PPE is requires when in company with said mistress. I have an instructional video. However it may be too explicit for some of our more puritanical members. PM me if you would like to avail yourself of what is a very well produced OH&S filum.z


In terms of adherence to Social Distancing ordinance 3b.wa #.c. The very handy table below should be of assistance for those wondering ; what distance should I maintain whist in motion.
"Spedies" equipped with GPS are at a distinct advantage having a device to accurately determine velocity.
All others will be required to equip themselves with said device under Subsection 33. FU2 in order to determine velocity and therefore a safe distance from any other craft in the immediate vicinity.
The table below whist not specifically for Sailboarders provides a guide. However under Ordinance C.a.n.tUN Sea. BL0((0(k55
Lycra wearing will result in immediate detention and isolation for the period of six months in a retraining facility for exhibitionists. The period of detention will also include manditory Latte detoxification and reeducation regarding non adulteration of coffee.


G

Finally I terms of the permissible distance to travel in order to partake in sailboarding excersise activities;
Under Ordinance 4.b. FRGT Mlk; Provided said windsurfer makes a stop at an essential service en-route to from the location of excersise, what otherwise may have been deemed excessive travel shall be permitted.

I trust this eddition of Relic's Ramble clarifies the situation for all concerned. As always I am willing and able to provide serious, meaningful assistance for those who struggle establishing neurone connections.






This was the handy little guide that didn't get attached to the original. All the clever mathematicians out there should be able to convert kph to Knots. and apply the correlating safe distances.
S(-)!? ....forgot that all got worked out by 1.852 really clever fellas while ago!
There's my inane drivel for what it's worth. Sadly I'm no match for what got left behind another platform. I can only dream of plumbing those depths.
"Going Dark" until I can muster some more fatuous, inane, asinine, insensate, puerile, stolid. stupefied, deficient, imbecilic and witless thoughts to share.... "Out".......................
P.S. More than one Mistress allowed. And in the interests of equality more than one Paramour allowed for the ladies!

Al Planet
TAS, 1482 posts
4 Apr 2020 8:14PM
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Bell Bouy is closed ...and West Inlet!!!
Lagoon is still open.. I think
Not crowded either






geared4knots
TAS, 2575 posts
4 Apr 2020 8:56PM
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Bummer Bell bouy
Glad you had a bash at lagoon-
cheers and stay safe/well northerners- see you on the outside of this

Gclark1
TAS, 541 posts
4 Apr 2020 10:15PM
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OFFICIALLY -
You can debate what is exercise until you are blue in the face, but if I am to read the intent of our illustrious and evidently highly knowledgable and well informed government, and the mood of the mob then you are expected to COMPLY, COMPLY, COMPLY!!!!! What is WRONG with you people?

UNOFFICIALLY (but far more accurately) -
The utterly ridiculous joke, and absolute proof of idiocy and non- functional grey matter in the higher echelons is that TASMANIAN RESERVES ARE CLOSED!

As per Al's post, and given that Bellbuoy Beach is a Reserve, it is closed. East Beach and Lagoon Bay are NOT reserves and so are not closed, so these two are taking the extra burden of people (if you can call a daily average of 1, at Bellbuoy 'people') and concentrating them in the much smaller area.

It is rather like closing the 400 Ha of bush that is Trevallyn Reserve, displacing the couple of families and the 6 mountain bike riders ON TO THE STREETS instead.

Has anyone ever seen so many people walking on the narrow thread of asphalt that edges the roads, you know, the less than 1.5 m one?

If Trevallyn Reserve and Bellbuoy were generally places containing groups or crowds, you would definitely not find me there often.

There is evidently some calculation far beyond my capacity that clearly proves that all this actually REDUCES the risk of transmission (from all those people who don't have the virus and are not contagious), and as such, is a clever strategy, and one well worth sacrificing an entire economy for. Pretty cheap really, I mean what was I doing working for a living when all I was spending money on was food?

And if you ever wondered what 'your community' would do if the chips were down...bad news.

Just sail, and be the spark of sanity in this swamp of stupidity.

Gclark1
TAS, 541 posts
4 Apr 2020 10:17PM
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Sailing - exercise, don't be absurd. I am never absolutely exhausted to the point of an inability to stand after sailing, ever...

MatStirl
TAS, 111 posts
5 Apr 2020 8:39AM
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grahamn said..
Just wondering who " the precious misinformed minority" are MatStirl


Those that don't appreciate the differences between here and say Bondi, see a local beach carpark and assume everyone is mingling together.

Most I know arrive separately, have a quick surf or walk the dog, usually well separated from others and go home. Previous to now they may have a had a chat but everyone is aware of the need for separation.
It's their form of exercise and probably safer than being on the footpath, bottleshop or supermarket.

grahamn
TAS, 159 posts
5 Apr 2020 11:27AM
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Yep, some people just don't get it.
More concerned about the inequities as a result of the current restrictions and how it affects them personally rather than ask themselves the question " what can I do to help stop the spread however low the risk is"

Relic
TAS, 793 posts
5 Apr 2020 12:13PM
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Jokes aside. What we are not being told is the truthful reason for closing parks, reserves etc. is to flush tourists out who may be attempting to avoid returning to their home states.

Relic
TAS, 793 posts
5 Apr 2020 12:14PM
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Gclark1 said..
OFFICIALLY -
You can debate what is exercise until you are blue in the face, but if I am to read the intent of our illustrious and evidently highly knowledgable and well informed government, and the mood of the mob then you are expected to COMPLY, COMPLY, COMPLY!!!!! What is WRONG with you people?

UNOFFICIALLY (but far more accurately) -
The utterly ridiculous joke, and absolute proof of idiocy and non- functional grey matter in the higher echelons is that TASMANIAN RESERVES ARE CLOSED!

As per Al's post, and given that Bellbuoy Beach is a Reserve, it is closed. East Beach and Lagoon Bay are NOT reserves and so are not closed, so these two are taking the extra burden of people (if you can call a daily average of 1, at Bellbuoy 'people') and concentrating them in the much smaller area.

It is rather like closing the 400 Ha of bush that is Trevallyn Reserve, displacing the couple of families and the 6 mountain bike riders ON TO THE STREETS instead.

Has anyone ever seen so many people walking on the narrow thread of asphalt that edges the roads, you know, the less than 1.5 m one?

If Trevallyn Reserve and Bellbuoy were generally places containing groups or crowds, you would definitely not find me there often.

There is evidently some calculation far beyond my capacity that clearly proves that all this actually REDUCES the risk of transmission (from all those people who don't have the virus and are not contagious), and as such, is a clever strategy, and one well worth sacrificing an entire economy for. Pretty cheap really, I mean what was I doing working for a living when all I was spending money on was food?

And if you ever wondered what 'your community' would do if the chips were down...bad news.

Just sail, and be the spark of sanity in this swamp of stupidity.


Well said Clarky!

MatStirl
TAS, 111 posts
6 Apr 2020 7:16AM
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Relic said..
Jokes aside. What we are not being told is the truthful reason for closing parks, reserves etc. is to flush tourists out who may be attempting to avoid returning to their home states.


There's a percentage of tourists that don't or can't return home - sold house and travel permanently or rented it out. Think it's as much to deter even locals from travelling and potentially spreading virus to other regions.

For those that have lived there know the greatest risk is Melb and particularly Sydney.
Get the most international flights, 5M people, many of whom are young, single, living in share houses/apartments and with a disregard for the virus and it's impacts.

I windsurfed at my local spot yesterday. 3 on the water. Didn't come within 50m of anyone or pass any shops etc on way.
This isn't Bondi. No risk.



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