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Why is the industry so reluctant to make big wave boards?

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Created by Dcharlton 2 months ago, 31 Mar 2020
Dcharlton
21 posts
31 Mar 2020 6:02AM
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Had the time of my life this weekend sailing logo high waves in the US, all made possible by my Goya Custom 114Ltr board. The thing is just magic, it floats my 205llb body, gives me the ability to time the wave and is incredibly controlled even when the wind picks up.

I'm really thankful to Goya for making it as it has made all the difference. What I just don't understand, is why is it so hard to find a windsurf wave board that goes over 99ltrs? The industry is really missing out on a big segment of big riders who want to ride waves...

DC

LeeD
1452 posts
31 Mar 2020 6:23AM
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Hard to sell enough to justify production.
Most of my surfsailing buds are over 220 lbs., one 275. All custom made boards, but most not more than 100 liters.
At 73 kg wet, I rode 70-75 liter wave boards for surfsailing.
The biggest problem for wave sailors who are heavy seems to be finding a board narrow enough to bottom turn at speed and not bounce out.
I am the guy who questioned Scott McKerschers Evo designs. I was right. He was wrong. That wide tail is worthless on waves over 4' and slow moving.

hoop
1979 posts
31 Mar 2020 8:39AM
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LeeD said..
Hard to sell enough to justify production.
Most of my surfsailing buds are over 220 lbs., one 275. All custom made boards, but most not more than 100 liters.
At 73 kg wet, I rode 70-75 liter wave boards for surfsailing.
The biggest problem for wave sailors who are heavy seems to be finding a board narrow enough to bottom turn at speed and not bounce out.
I am the guy who questioned Scott McKerschers Evo designs. I was right. He was wrong. That wide tail is worthless on waves over 4' and slow moving.


LeeD,
That is one of the most arrogant comments you've made on here.
Crawl back into your hole, you know nothing.

LeeD
1452 posts
31 Mar 2020 9:59AM
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Actually, I do know!
Look at ALL modern wave boards. NOTHING like the wide Evos.
I argued against the wide concept from the beginning.....McKerch saying "try it, then decide."
We've surfsailed together.
EVERY company makes narrow tailed wave boards.
So, maybe YOU don't know and just shooting your mouth.

LeeD
1452 posts
31 Mar 2020 10:07AM
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It's not based on "arrogance".
It's based on 500+ days of surfsailing, hours of talking with Haut, Iggy, and Pearson, and seeing what actually works in the surf.
Shaping surfboards didn't hurt, nor did travelling up and down Cal and Baja for 15 years.

DunkO
NSW, 1032 posts
31 Mar 2020 3:06PM
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LeeD said..
Actually, I do know!
Look at ALL modern wave boards. NOTHING like the wide Evos.
I argued against the wide concept from the beginning.....McKerch saying "try it, then decide."
We've surfsailed together.
EVERY company makes narrow tailed wave boards.
So, maybe YOU don't know and just shooting your mouth.


your talking to a dude that's shaped one of the most successful wave board shapes around.

there might be a hint of accuracy in what your saying but it's worth nothing the way you say it.

hoop
1979 posts
31 Mar 2020 2:01PM
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What an absolute crock you speak.
Haha, but please tell us more about how you were right and Scotty was wrong on the Evo's?
Those boards were a game changer at the time and it was a very successful model for a good few years.

william
WA, 168 posts
31 Mar 2020 3:38PM
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LeeD said..
It's not based on "arrogance".
It's based on 500+ days of surfsailing, hours of talking with Haut, Iggy, and Pearson, and seeing what actually works in the surf.
Shaping surfboards didn't hurt, nor did travelling up and down Cal and Baja for 15 years



These comments make my eyes bleed. But yet hard to look away

the evos were a complete game changer and best sold wave board for a few seasons

and yeah hoops what would you know about "surf -sailing " anyway . ????

Brent in Qld
QLD, 295 posts
31 Mar 2020 9:06PM
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LeeD said..
It's not based on "arrogance".
It's based on 500+ days of surfsailing, hours of talking with Haut, Iggy, and Pearson, and seeing what actually works in the surf.
Shaping surfboards didn't hurt, nor did travelling up and down Cal and Baja for 15 years.


I'll take the bait.

500 days... pfft, a bad season where I cut my teeth. Been chasing waves since 84'ish and shoot sh!t with famous types too. Must be Yoda's dad by LeeDs deductive reasoning.

I for one like wide tail boards. Also have a narrow ride for when conditions demand. No point in pretending one design is above all others because when it's on, ya gotta have kit that works for you.

NordRoi
303 posts
31 Mar 2020 10:20PM
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LeeD said..
Actually, I do know!
Look at ALL modern wave boards. NOTHING like the wide Evos.
I argued against the wide concept from the beginning.....McKerch saying "try it, then decide."
We've surfsailed together.
EVERY company makes narrow tailed wave boards.
So, maybe YOU don't know and just shooting your mouth.






I believe when Scott M created the evo, it wasn't to be the best waveboard for big waves. I think I read in an interview he based his idea of a nice funboard or a nice mid-lenght surfboard. You know the board when you are out of surf shape, waves are good...and just want to grab a board and still have fun and catch a lot of waves! Of course, the shorboarder are more radical than the funboarder usually, but like surfing I see a lot of wannabe windsurfer using small and anorexic down the line windsurfing board in wave they are confortable with...hips to stomach... I think the evo was actually a really easy board to ride, the volume were very well displaced, the board floated well...it was giving an opportunity for a guy who was in average condition with average windsurfing skill having a lot of fun. I never though the evo was labeled an hard coure windsurfing board?

LeeD
1452 posts
31 Mar 2020 11:54PM
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Was the Hypersonic the greatest?
NOBODY makes an Evo style board today.
Every wave board is narrower.
Bunch of suckers bought it, including me for a C note.

Great for 3 foot mush.
Great for windswell pretending you're wave riding.
Great for you fatsos with no skill to float around on a small board.
Worthless as a wave riding board except for what it's great at.

hoop
1979 posts
1 Apr 2020 12:37AM
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That's not what I saw from the guys riding them at Margaret River and Gnaraloo at the time.
But then, how could I possibly argue with your awesomeness.
You were right and Scotty was wrong. What a kook that guy is

LeeD
1452 posts
1 Apr 2020 12:46AM
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Yes, I was correct, HE was trying something that did not work for everyone, yet you and I bought his design.
His idea was an attempt to go off on a wide tail tangent, since proven wrong. He sold plenty...fool on you, fool on me.
Yes, sales will prove the Evo concept was valid.
History will say it was a temporary glitch.

LeeD
1452 posts
1 Apr 2020 12:51AM
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Just how many of you still ride a wide, wide tail wave board?
I bet NONE, nada.
I own 5 wave boards. One is 53cm wide. 2 are between 54-55 wide. One is just over 55cm wide. None have tails over 36cm.
Then there's the Evo 76.

LeeD
1452 posts
1 Apr 2020 12:56AM
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One of my better wavesailing buds DOES ride a 60cm, 100 liter, 40cm tailed, wave board.
He weighs 235 lbs. and always complains it's too wide to power a bottom turn in 6' waves. Maybe he's a wimp, or maybe YOU have never ridden a head high wave.

forceten
1104 posts
1 Apr 2020 1:35AM
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Dcharlton said..
Had the time of my life this weekend sailing logo high waves in the US, all made possible by my Goya Custom 114Ltr board. The thing is just magic, it floats my 205llb body, gives me the ability to time the wave and is incredibly controlled even when the wind picks up.

I'm really thankful to Goya for making it as it has made all the difference. What I just don't understand, is why is it so hard to find a windsurf wave board that goes over 99ltrs? The industry is really missing out on a big segment of big riders who want to ride waves...

DC


I don't feel a problem exists for larger wave boards, I would agree with pretty much all you have written except change 99 liters to 115L. the interpretation i have is between the 100 and 115 the term wave board loses its sharpness.

if I make the most posts and yell loudest do I win ?

DC from East US Coast ?

hoop
1979 posts
1 Apr 2020 1:56AM
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LeeD, with all due respect, you Sir are an idiot !
Have a good day

LeeD
1452 posts
1 Apr 2020 3:29AM
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And you fail.
You discount history.
You will make the same dumb mistakes over and over until you realize that history is a learning experience.
Now tell me, Hoop.....do you ride a low volume WIDE board for surfsailing?

Carantoc
NSW, 4909 posts
1 Apr 2020 9:11AM
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History taught me using 22" lines and needing five wave boards to cover the conditions was something that was long gone.

Lucky I didn't keep doing that, over and over again !

How dumb would I be ?

LeeD
1452 posts
1 Apr 2020 6:20AM
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Stupid poster does'nt know that loose harness straps allow for shorter lines.
Stupid posters pretends to know something.

Al Planet
TAS, 1482 posts
1 Apr 2020 9:22AM
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This Evo?

Bondage
SA, 607 posts
1 Apr 2020 9:32AM
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LeeD said..
Stupid poster does'nt know that loose harness straps allow for shorter lines.
Stupid posters pretends to know something.



What an apt description of yourself Lee D in your second line.
So good that you can provide us with such great entertainment and comedy in this current crazy world. Comedy i say? yep cause you are an absolute clown and are providing so much dribble for us to laugh at.
There is a guy named Phillip Koster who is a pretty good windsurfer. You night want to do some research on him and who is now shaping his boards.
This will help you understand why you are making yourself sound so stupid.

Brent in Qld
QLD, 295 posts
1 Apr 2020 9:59AM
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Come on guys, April 1st today...

ratz
WA, 388 posts
1 Apr 2020 8:08AM
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Brent in Qld said..
Come on guys, April 1st today...


leed makes himself sound like a fool every time he touches a keyboard.
crosses the line when he starts dissing a west ozzie legend.
and need I say former world wave champion.
bugger off fool
I think everybody has had enough of your self promoting crap.

russh
SA, 2950 posts
1 Apr 2020 11:01AM
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LeeD said..
One of my better wavesailing buds DOES ride a 60cm, 100 liter, 40cm tailed, wave board.
He weighs 235 lbs. and always complains it's too wide to power a bottom turn in 6' waves. Maybe he's a wimp, or maybe YOU have never ridden a head high wave.


he's definitely a wimp

bowsa
QLD, 574 posts
1 Apr 2020 11:10AM
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2009 EVO 90 single fin
One of the best boards ive owned - i'm 95kg
tail wasnt too wide, just how you ride it - you kook
tail width isnt everything - look at tomo inspired boards, nano etc, wide as tails, turns on a dime. YES longer narrowed boards will work a bit better for massive waves and pure down the line.... no one disputes that

LeeD
1452 posts
1 Apr 2020 10:45AM
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Like I said, fatso's who ride tiny mush on sinky boards like the Evo concept.
You Aussies are like little girls...all that pride regardless of lemon boards.
I didn't say Scott was a bad shaper, I said he was pushing a bad product.

ratz
WA, 388 posts
1 Apr 2020 11:06AM
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ah yes
tiny mush like margies, gnarloo,and various other crap waves we have here in the west.
keep talking fool
its making you look even more ignorant and arrogant....

LeeD
1452 posts
1 Apr 2020 11:09AM
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Big wave boards.
In 1984, I installed a mast track on my Steve Coletta 9'6" x 20.5" full gun. Maybe 85 liters, I rode it locally for 5 days to get used to it and took it to Oahu with 3 other boards in 1985.
Rode Phantoms to break it in and last day at Himalayas waaay outside. Wished it had more V thru the belly. Left it with Tom Castleton, a shaper who lived 500' from Velzyland.

LeeD
1452 posts
1 Apr 2020 11:14AM
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Ratz, you Aussies are always bragging how great your waves are.
I will admit, Oz has great surfers.
Remember Nat Youngs 24" wide V bottoms?
Never worked at Pipe or Sunset because it was too wide! Honolua Bay waves wrap in from the NW and lose a lot of their punch, so those wide tubs worked.

DunkO
NSW, 1032 posts
1 Apr 2020 2:14PM
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LeeD said..
You Aussies are like little girls...


With ovaries bigger than your swollen head.

Care to share with us any footage of your extreme wave prowess, can be from back in the day hell man.



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