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Kalama E3 'wide' DW board

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Created by wanabxtrm A week ago, 1 Aug 2022
wanabxtrm
6 posts
1 Aug 2022 5:12AM
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Ordered the 6'1"x26" 'wide' downwind board @115l from Kalama. Since it is new, I figured I'd add to the forum as a long term lurker. I'm using it primarily for sup surf; with some winging as I get better.Downside: not many. only came with centerline foot inserts, color is more red than orange.
Upside: where to start. I'm coming from an older 7'4" Starboard Hypernut with Tuttle base @105l. The Kalama blows it out of the water on liftoff. Even in micro-surf I can now pop up with a single stroke; something I could never even imagine with the older board.
Initial stability is relatively low; but secondary is high, and I've had no issues paddling it, which was a major concern with the drop down in width for me. Its still narrow enough to prone paddle, and have a nice volume/weight distribution. In comparison to the Blue planet carver (only other sub-6' board I've tried) at the same volume, it is significantly more comfortable to stand on.

Anyway figured I'd post about it. For reference I'm 160, riding Armstrong HS foils, and at roughly the 9 month mark of my foiling journey; with just a few more months surfing. (But a lot of time doing other paddling/water sports).



pictures await my kook status being elevated on the forumn. ??

hilly
WA, 6680 posts
1 Aug 2022 5:41PM
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Few Kalama boards over here. Some arriving soon I believe; it has been a long wait. Thanks for the review.
I agree with your comments about initial stability v secondary. Good boards.

kobo
NSW, 868 posts
2 Aug 2022 6:35AM
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wanabxtrm said..
Ordered the 6'1"x26" 'wide' downwind board @115l from Kalama. Since it is new, I figured I'd add to the forum as a long term lurker. I'm using it primarily for sup surf; with some winging as I get better.Downside: not many. only came with centerline foot inserts, color is more red than orange.
Upside: where to start. I'm coming from an older 7'4" Starboard Hypernut with Tuttle base @105l. The Kalama blows it out of the water on liftoff. Even in micro-surf I can now pop up with a single stroke; something I could never even imagine with the older board.
Initial stability is relatively low; but secondary is high, and I've had no issues paddling it, which was a major concern with the drop down in width for me. Its still narrow enough to prone paddle, and have a nice volume/weight distribution. In comparison to the Blue planet carver (only other sub-6' board I've tried) at the same volume, it is significantly more comfortable to stand on.

Anyway figured I'd post about it. For reference I'm 160, riding Armstrong HS foils, and at roughly the 9 month mark of my foiling journey; with just a few more months surfing. (But a lot of time doing other paddling/water sports).



pictures await my kook status being elevated on the forumn. ??


Do you think the tracks are forward enough to work with the Armstrong HA foils? Great it works with the HS , I would have thought being Kalama the tracks would be set to the back to suit Gofoil.

hilly
WA, 6680 posts
2 Aug 2022 7:15AM
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kobo said..Do you think the tracks are forward enough to work with the Armstrong HA foils? Great it works with the HS , I would have thought being Kalama the tracks would be set to the back to suit Gofoil.

They work fine with Armstrong. I used the 1125 and 1325 with the 6 foot E3. I flipped the front washer and used the hole to get as far forward as possible.

hilly
WA, 6680 posts
2 Aug 2022 7:20AM
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wanabxtrm
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2 Aug 2022 10:31AM
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I don't have a HA to answer directly, and I'm still playing around with position. But I have the mast about the half way point of the box with the HS1550/1850, so have 1.25~1.5" it could go forward. So if your moving your mast more than that between a HS and HA then it may be abit short; but I'd think it would still work.
I can say the board is definitely well dialed in for what it's designed and marketed for, and I'm certainly not yet good enough to take advantage of all of it. But it certainly instantly upped my own game. This is certainly a 'the right gear makes a difference' scenario. I'm sure it's even better with a go-foil setup.

BigZ
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2 Aug 2022 10:58AM
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hilly said..

kobo said..Do you think the tracks are forward enough to work with the Armstrong HA foils? Great it works with the HS , I would have thought being Kalama the tracks would be set to the back to suit Gofoil.


They work fine with Armstrong. I used the 1125 and 1325 with the 6 foot E3. I flipped the front washer and used the hole to get as far forward as possible.



Are you back on Armstrong?

hilly
WA, 6680 posts
2 Aug 2022 12:13PM
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BigZ said..Are you back on Armstrong?

No, happy with GoFoil. Found the HA Army wings challenging work. GoFoil for the same width turn so much better.

kobo
NSW, 868 posts
2 Aug 2022 4:53PM
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Thanks Hilly, looks like it can work but maybe not ideal.

pohaku
NSW, 626 posts
Saturday , 6 Aug 2022 3:21PM
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The shipment of Kalama docks in Sydney tonight! Finally! Everyone will have their boards over the next two weeks. There will be many more great reviews coming through soon.

wanabxtrm
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Monday , 8 Aug 2022 2:15AM
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pohaku said..
The shipment of Kalama docks in Sydney tonight! Finally! Everyone will have their boards over the next two weeks. There will be many more great reviews coming through soon.


Curious to hear what more experienced riders think of it!

Have a handful more sessions with it. Seams durable enough, on par or better than my last board. And certainly lighter.
I thought I'd miss having the top handhold, so I added the webbing. Frankly I haven't used it at all. re: stability. I've had a handful of times I've either sunk the tail pretty deep on a spin turn or a rail when I'm beam too and not paying attention. I've been very impressed with how far over it'll go and can still be recovered. Since I am to cheap to have tons of boards I'm hoping this will fit the bill to cover everything but a small <50L prone/wing board. So far all indications are it will.
anyway not sure how many posts I need to make before I can share photos, but will once I hit that point.
cheers.

wanabxtrm
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Monday , 8 Aug 2022 2:19AM
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Looks like 5 is the #. Here's a few I snapped on the deck real quick. Can push some more detailed ones if needed.

pohaku
NSW, 626 posts
Wednesday , 10 Aug 2022 8:04AM
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mindhoc
NSW, 18 posts
Friday , 12 Aug 2022 2:19PM
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Got my 5'4 Kalama board today, it looks awesome, cant wait to test it out. For those interested in where the tracks are, they actually start where they end on my other 5.4 board. That should be good for those HA wings and to make it less nose heavy





mikesids
91 posts
Friday , 12 Aug 2022 4:29PM
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Can anyone comment on the standing stability of the Kalama's with their deep V tail vs a totally flat bottomed board of similar dims? I know both designs are aimed at early release but I'm starting to wonder if a board with a good amount of volume below the waterline ( ie thinner rails) might actually be more stable to stand on than one with thicker rails that floats higher . I'm assuming same / similar width for both boards to get a true comparison . Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide.

hilly
WA, 6680 posts
Friday , 12 Aug 2022 6:23PM
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mikesids said..
Can anyone comment on the standing stability of the Kalama's with their deep V tail vs a totally flat bottomed board of similar dims? I know both designs are aimed at early release but I'm starting to wonder if a board with a good amount of volume below the waterline ( ie thinner rails) might actually be more stable to stand on than one with thicker rails that floats higher . I'm assuming same / similar width for both boards to get a true comparison . Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide.


I had the 6 foot E3 and it was very stable for my 105kg. If I had really clean conditions I would have stuck with it. Due to wind and chop being the usual at my local changing to the 6 6 for more paddle power not stability.

wanabxtrm
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Today , 13 Aug 2022 11:07AM
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I don't have a similar size width wise to compare. But volume wise I've ridden three boards within 10L of each other (starboard Hypernut/blue planet carver). I prefer Kalama's design. The carver was 27.5" wide I believe. I'd love to try an Armstrong; but we haven't hit the level of 'demo' that other industries have.
Normal standing/paddling for reference my back foot is just aft of the color change. Front foot is in/around the front foot straps on the e3.

With a flat bottom board, it will feel stable initially, but want tip/shoot out rapidly once the chines go below water. With a rounded hull/vtail it will feel tippy initially, but won't actually want to roll or flip until your push it very far over.
I've had the board 30-45 degrees in pitch and roll (not at the same time) and can consistently recover it without issue.
compared it the other boards: the starboards volume distribution with the relatively narrow tail allowed the same with pitch but not roll. My tail was typically sunk on the starboard with normal paddling.
The carver with volume focused in the rear I couldn't do either it felt like a cork. That said because the volume of the carver made you stand back foot heavy it launched out of the water super easy.
Not sure if that's helpful or not.
Additionally, I've been trying to mimic Jeremy Riggs flat water paddle up technique (no success yet, but getting closer). I don't think a flat bottom rear would allow the motion to come together. I can say for certain a flat bottom nose definitely won't.
my $0.02 from a non naval engineering perspective (mechanical mostly here) the aviation industry (before computers) spent a lot of time and $$ figuring out float planes. Principle is the same regarding water release for us. Stability similar but not directly applicable. They almost all universally use a v-bottom shape taper. a proven design that simply works.

On the flip side, modern foil sail boats have a mix. Designed with consideration of all the proper constraints, and usage goals, either can work. I'm just not sure all designers have tweaked the necessary parameters to optimize the boards with flat bottom shape, though I think a few have hit it.
my personal opinion is the higher secondary stability of a v or contoured bill combined with the keel provided by the foil would give you the best combination.



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